Alberta government thread

[MilEME09]

And yet this is the same group (AIMCo) that is supposed to manage the Alberta Pension if they withdrew from the CPP.

And teachers are still pissed off about their independent pension being forced under AIMCo years ago

Frankly I look at the CPP board as a positive model and often use the AIMCo incompetence as a rebuttal to some "separatists" to question if they truly understand what they are signing up for..

Agreed, AIMCo can't manage money yet the government wants us to believe they can handle a pension plan? no such thing as a fiscal conservative in AB any more

 

[Altair]

we're talking about puberty blockers not surgery.

These get lumped together. It's a common tactic to make every treatment seem extreme and thus unreasonable.

multiple studies have shown their effectiveness

Science is taking a backseat to politics.

good thing we're not, we're giving them medical treatment.

I also wonder how we develop treatments to childhood ailments if medication cannot be used on children.

Answer, clinical trials.

But again, Science is taking a backseat to politics

yes, like banning medical treatment for children.

Cruelty is a feature, not a bug.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Again, the issue I have is the talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Ban those born as male from female sports if they have undergone puberty.

Ban puberty blockers from those born as male, forcing them to go through puberty.

If anyone can tell me how a trans kid can be a female rugby player at 18 with this system in place I will gladly stand down and say, hey, ya, that makes sense.

Currently it doesn't.

And yes, sports is just one aspect of this, but it effects more than that. Future relationships, self worth, body image a lot is on the line for those with genuine gender disphoria. Heavy handed carpet bans are not useful in that sense.

Yes sports is just one aspect.

Currently Transwomen dominate the sports they compete in.

It's resulted in biological women not only being pushed out of the competition but their ability to even be critical of the situation is taken away lest they are labeled transphobic and attacked for it.

Your solution is to prescribe puberty blockers to remove benefits of puberty. At a quick glance it looks like blocking puberty does remove a lot of the benefits puberty gives males in sports.

What you're ignoring is Canada being an outlier in how unrestricted we treat puberty blocking compared to a half dozen similar progressive countries. A key issue being how restricted the treatment is and being intimately followed by specialists opposed to GP's.

Maybe the best solution is for Canada to adopt a similarly restrictive, centralized, and specialized approach to puberty blockers for children.

 

[Jarnhamar]

A trans only league wouldn't work.

Male league
Female league
Transmale league
Transfemale league

 

[Brad Sallows]

Its already clear that Alberta and others don't give a damn about the very children they say they are trying to protect and the best thing any person with a trans child should do is move to one of the other provinces that don't pass hate based legislation.

Not much more to add.

In which a person is reduced to blackguarding motives.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Answer, clinical trials.

These aren't clinical trials. We aren't able to do prior experiments treating adults. It's not a fatal disease. It's not an abnormal childhood physical condition that can be treated by surgery without massive potential complications. So far, I'm unaware of any study which attempts to compare the number of treated kids who emerge as satisfied adults, to the number of kids who didn't get treatment and emerged as satisfied adults (hetero, gay, or otherwise) and the number who were treated and regret it.

Proponents are hoping to shotgun a bunch of kids through treatments for 3 or 4 decades and measure the long-term effects on the other side, hoping - hoping - that there will be no measurable ill effects. Insane.