All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)
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Their rightful share? Sure. But not that made up number they think they are owed.
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I guess it would just be part of the negotiations. Take a portion of the debt, take a portion of the CPP... take a portion of the CAF (except Navy)...
... no more equalization payments (which would fund a lot of improved healthcare, improvements for FN, and a robust Alberta Defence Force)...
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For sure unless they just do it anyways. Before separation arrange a deal with the US as the 51st state with military support and the promise of new infrastructure, clean water and recognise their treaty rights. Not saying it will ever happen but the US complicates matters here. Could Canada survive?
And this in large part is why an Alberta separation resulting in a new state with borders matching its current one is a myth. Separatists are basically children and should be given the same firm, patient tolerance, but they don’t dictate adult affairs. If they achieve a succesful referendum, then serious discussions can start. However, in the same breath, the various First Nationa will be voting on whether they and their treaty lands will be remaining a part of Canada.
Fortunately a strong majority of Albertans don’t want this and won’t go for it, so it will be one of those background discussions. Hopefully, despite their background noise, the federal government can make real progress in addressing some of the very valid and real grievances of Alberta and the prairies writ large. It’s still an important thing to address and the right thing to do… But not because the kids are rowdy.
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Interesting paper on co-operation vs conflict with Canada’s First Nations from a while back suggests FNs may be able to resist things more than one might guess (check the section on the resources security paradox for example) - also attached if link doesn't work for you …
Also, I don’t think a treaty can very easily be “ handed over” to a third party - be it a province or another country.
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It’s a bit of a pipe dream tbh. But we have the mechanisms in place. Generally though both sides won’t like the reality of said action. Brexit is good example of buyers remorse.
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Alberta directly benefits from shared Canadian infrastructure including rail and highways. They also benefit from trade and other various international agreements. Canada negotiating that has a lot more leverage than any individual province, the same way the EU trade block has much more leverage than any individual country.
I think there are reasonable complaints about things like the approval process and timelines for major resources extraction projects, and the current trend of Alberta paying out more than they pay in, but they've also been a have not province supported by the rest of the country, and could be again if fortunes turn against Albertan heavy crude exports to the US, so don't think there will be people turning down EI if they need it.
Similarly, there is a massive liability in orphaned oil wells being offloaded to the fed gov by the province.
Standing on it's own, the US could simply embargo Albertan oil and quickly bankrupt the entire 'country' of Alberta (which would be missing big chunks of federal land and be essentially landlocked), and force massively punishing terms to extract maximum resources out of it without giving Alberta anything, and probably would absorb it as a protectorate so wouldn't even get citizen rights or any representation to be able to influence US politics.
That's pretty much what Trump said he wants to do to the entireity of Canada, so why would you expect a complete narcisisst to not do the same thing to Albertans? He doesn't care about American citizens, why would he care about them?
Add to that, Alberta would be an even smaller voice and representation in the US as they wouldn’t even get statehood and no state is giving up seats for what will be less than the 4 million people it currently has.
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Speaking of bribing people increase their electorate with like minded Canadians
Province now accepting applications for 'Alberta is Calling' moving bonus
Skilled tradespeople can apply for $5,000 bonus to offset moving costs
The Alberta government is offering to cover moving costs for up to 2,000 skilled tradespeople who settled in the province last year, as part of its "Alberta is Calling" campaign.
On Thursday, applications opened for a $5,000 moving bonus, available to those who arrived between May 1 and Dec. 31, 2024.
The first 2,000 applicants from a list of eligible occupations — including aircraft mechanics and construction labourers — will receive a one-time, refundable tax credit.
lol.Speaking of bribing people increase their electorate with like minded Canadians
Every province should have similar programs.
the good thing is, she can't give her opinion
Agreed!
People give Danielle Smith a hard time, and criticize her a lot...
But as someone who's been a provincial employee for over a decade now (first with EMS & now with Sheriff Branch) I'm personally convinced she's done A LOT to protect and save our province
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In other news...
Terry Newman: On election night, CBC shamelessly cheered on Mark Carney
The commentary and physical mannerisms from panellists communicated distaste for a Conservative win
nationalpost.com
There is a lot to criticize but she does have some redeeming qualities.
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Sure. "We'll kill people to protect the rights of whoever holds Canadian debt" might not sell very well as a "just cause".
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CPP isn't owed to Alberta, just as equalization payments don't come from Alberta. Taxpayers and CPP recipients are individuals.
Sure, but obviously you’re savvy enough to know that this idea is in the context of Alberta’s exploration of their own APP, and the varied takes on how much of the CPP kitty they would be entitled to should they withdraw from CPP. That would pretty much be a certainty were Alberta to separate. As a response to ‘what could Canada do were Alberta to secede and refuse to pay for federal assets it takes over’, ‘withold
a commensurate amount of any CPP fund transfer’ isn’t overly outlandish.
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I know you're intentionally being obtuse, but killing is pretty far down the line when it comes to government "force".
I can't recall the last time someone was shot for not filing their taxes...
There is no free ride, so if AB want's out, the rest of Canada will have a say in how it unfolds. Just as it will if QC decides to go down that route.
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Back a year or so ago the province claimed Alberta's portion of CPP assets was about 53%, even though it only represents about 15% of the national population. Stay or go, the would obviously want a pile-o-dough to seed their own APP.
Alternatively, Canada could simply pay eligible Alberta residents their allotted pension benefit directly. It's not unusual for people to be eligible for foreign pensions or for Canadians living overseas to receive CPP.
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