All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

[Halifax Tar]

There have been a few referendums. That one had a very specific charm campaign.

But don’t kid yourself. There were plenty of people that were saying let them go. As a non quebecer francophone living in a majority English province my community got it from both ends.

Absolutely. But I have seen no charm campaign, yet. Maybe it will emerge if Alberta actually holds a referendum.

 

[Remius]

Absolutely. But I have seen no charm campaign, yet. Maybe it will emerge if Alberta actually holds a referendum.

That charm offensive came after decades of separatist threats. It wasn’t always a thing. The whole thing was and is very acrimonious.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That charm offensive came after decades of separatist threats. It wasn’t always a thing. The whole thing was and is very acrimonious.

I'll have to take your word for it, I was 15 in '95. It's the only referendum I have memory of.

 

[QV]

Same logic applies to any First Nations who wish to remain a part of Canada should other parts of Alberta choose to separate. After all, the treaties predate the social construct known as “Alberta” that was legislated into existence. Those First Nations wouldn’t in any way be obligated to join an Alberta rump state in separating, nor to cede their lands or resources to the said Alberta separatist state. Without FNs and their lands partaking in such a separation, the economic calculus changes considerably.

Nor would they be obligated to stay. Alberta could just assume the same obligations of the crown or negotiations would occur and there might be a better outcome for FN.

 

[The Bread Guy]

With friends like these, AB can't lose, right?

Quebec sovereigntist party cheers on possible referendum in Alberta

QUÉBEC - The leader of the sovereigntist Parti Québécois is throwing his support behind a possible referendum in Alberta, applauding Premier Danielle Smith for standing up for her province.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Parti Québécois leader stands with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and her ‘strong hand’

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has an ally in Quebec and his name is Paul St-Pierre Plamondon, the Parti Québécois Leader.

nationalpost.com

 

[PrairieFella]

With friends like these, AB can't lose, right?

Quebec sovereigntist party cheers on possible referendum in Alberta

QUÉBEC - The leader of the sovereigntist Parti Québécois is throwing his support behind a possible referendum in Alberta, applauding Premier Danielle Smith for standing up for her province.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Parti Québécois leader stands with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and her ‘strong hand’

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has an ally in Quebec and his name is Paul St-Pierre Plamondon, the Parti Québécois Leader.

nationalpost.com

AB loses no matter the outcome now.

 

[brihard]

Nor would they be obligated to stay. Alberta could just assume the same obligations of the crown or negotiations would occur and there might be a better outcome for FN.

Certainly. So long as it’s accepted that it would be up to them, and that a separatist Alberta could not force the outcome on them if they don’t want to come along.

How economically viable what remains of Alberta would be in that case is a different matter.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Nor would they be obligated to stay. Alberta could just assume the same obligations of the crown or negotiations would occur and there might be a better outcome for FN.

Assuming the FNs want a Treaty with AB instead of Canada. And since each FN signed the Treaty, each one has self-determination too. I’d bet a loonie they’d want to maintain the federal link, but surprises are the order of the day, too.

 

[MilEME09]

I think the FN are made.......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919867493914652809

 

[The Bread Guy]

I think the FN are made.......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919867493914652809

My loonie was well bet then

 

[daftandbarmy]

Assuming the FNs want a Treaty with AB instead of Canada. And since each FN signed the Treaty, each one has self-determination too. I’d bet a loonie they’d want to maintain the federal link, but surprises are the order of the day, too.

Given how Uncle Sam treated his First Nations I'm not surprised there's some trepidation on the part of Canadian First Nations...

 

[suffolkowner]

Absolutely. But I have seen no charm campaign, yet. Maybe it will emerge if Alberta actually holds a referendum.

That charm offensive came after decades of separatist threats. It wasn’t always a thing. The whole thing was and is very acrimonious.

could be all out of charm? None left after the ongoing Quebec saga. I dont know how much energy i have left for the discussion whether its Quebec or AB

 

[MilEME09]

Alright so essentially Smith is catering to separation because she is trying to hold the UCP together and thus trying to hold her job. Otherwise the UCP will split back into the PC and wildrose, which would likely trigger an election.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920240293275701648

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Does she think that she is a Canadian version of Netanyahu?

At least she isn't waging a war for the sole purpose of avoiding trials, and losing his position...

Yet.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Alright so essentially Smith is catering to separation because she is trying to hold the UCP together and thus trying to hold her job. Otherwise the UCP will split back into the PC and wildrose, which would likely trigger an election.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920240293275701648

I don't hear that.

Should we deny the people the right to succession from Canada if lawfully voted for ?

What do people expect, her to just ignore the movement ? It's not like it's a fringe movement any more.

She's says she supports a sovereign Alberta inside Canada. To me it sounds like she wants the right to hold the rest of country by the balls just like Que.

Does she think that she is a Canadian version of Netanyahu?

At least she isn't waging a war for the sole purpose of avoiding trials, and losing his position...

Yet.

Do you want to expand on this post ? I'm not sure if you're calling Netanyahu a war criminal and comparing DS to him or I missed your point all together.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Hamfisted way to say that some leaders are motivated less by the needs of the entity that they lead than they are by holding on to power, with an implies judgement that Netanyahu is an extreme example of that phenomena

 

[QV]

I don't hear that.

Should we deny the people the right to succession from Canada if lawfully voted for ?

What do people expect, her to just ignore the movement ? It's not like it's a fringe movement any more.

She's says she supports a sovereign Alberta inside Canada. To me it sounds like she wants the right to hold the rest of country by the balls just like Que.

The extremists are the ones who want to shut down a democratic vote.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Hamfisted way to say that some leaders are motivated less by the needs of the entity that they lead than they are by holding on to power, with an implies judgement that Netanyahu is an extreme example of that phenomena

So what should she do in your opinion ?

 

[Czech_pivo]

The extremists are the ones who want to shut down a democratic vote.

Interesting.
I'd say that the extremists are the ones that don't accept a democratic vote and push forward tin foil ideas that the a democratic vote was 'fixed' or 'rigged' because their opinion wasn't chosen.

 

[CBH99]

She's says she supports a sovereign Alberta inside Canada. To me it sounds like she wants the right to hold the rest of country by the balls just like Que.

I don't think she's looking to hold the rest of the country by the balls.

She is very much looking for legal mechanisms that can be used to resist Ottawa's influence (both hard and soft) if that influence tries to force Alberta down a path it doesn't want to go



Ottawa has openly stated they expect/demand Alberta to follow certain federal policies in support of various federal goals that ultimately aren't in Alberta's interests to adopt.

Between those and the changes to federal firearms legislation (which initially prompted Alberta to introduce legislation specifically to protect legal firearms owners in the province) Alberta has chosen to stand it's ground on a few matters that I personally think the province is justified in doing so.

Regardless of anybody's opinion of her, she was voted in by the people of Alberta to look out for their best interests & that's exactly what she openly tries to do.

Alberta's track record of taking the federal government to court and winning certainly indicates that maybe it is fighting a good fight.


Expect similar initiatives to develop in other provinces if the government expects them to abandon the very industries that provide them with the most employment and revenue.