All Things AB Separatism (split fm Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???)

[MilEME09]

She has denied being a separatist while advancing initiatives that only benefit separatists or separatism. He actions speak louder than her denial.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014914960611017194

With US politicians talking about it now, its more and more like a covert attempt by the US to take AB. The feds to take a stance soon

 

[CBH99]

True, and to @brihard point of terrorism, if the end is forcefully damaging the crown by removing AB? I think a sedition and treason case can be made.

Hmmmmmmmm...maaayyybbbbeeeee...

Did anybody spill state secrets to an enemy state or entity that we are currently in an official state of war with, though?


Because treason is a pretty specific charge in the CC, requiring some pretty specific conversations to be had with some pretty specific entities during a pretty specific state of overall affairs.

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I know how you feel though, because this kinda stuff can certainly seem treasonous.

It's just that the official definition as per the CC is quite narrow (and should be updated, imo)


I felt that same sentiment throughout most of Justin's time as PM, personally.

"Working with foreign entities and undermining what's best for the country..." is an easy subsection that could be added to the CC to help make it easier to hold people & politicians more accountable.

But I could also see that generating problems of it's own...

 

[GK .Dundas]

I was once told by a Lawyer that under the CCC treason was incredibly hard to prove . Also he wondered if any conviction would survive a charter challenge.

 

[IKnowNothing]

No reason they wouldn’t keep CPP earned to date unless Alberta basically bought the whole thing out. A Canadian who pays into CPP and later moves overseas is still entitled to and receives their benefits.

Which makes for a weird dichotomy between the parallel discussions of "APP for a more independent Alberta within Canada" and "How things look for Albertan's after hypothetical wholesale separation." The established mechanism that was studied/discussed for the former situation would not apply for the latter- transferring assets for a separate pension plan within the same country is not the same as individuals maintaining their accrued entitlements while living in a now separate country. Effectively they use the same pot of money- what the people of Alberta have paid in and the proceeds of such. Said money won't be paid/transferred twice.

Of course these ding dongs are going to double count it in their sales pitch to make things look as rosey as possible.

 

[brihard]

"Working with foreign entities and undermining what's best for the country..." is an easy subsection that could be added to the CC to help make it easier to hold people & politicians more accountable.

But I could also see that generating problems of it's own...

We already did that two summers ago. It wasn’t added to the Criminal Code, but rather the Security of Information Act added several new foreign interference offences and became the Foreign Interference and Security of Information Act. These are all criminal too. Foreign Interference and Security of Information Act offences:


Intimidation, threats or violence (this one already existed)

• 20 (1) Every person commits an offence who, at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with, a foreign entity or a terrorist group, induces or attempts to induce, by intimidation, threat or violence, any person to do anything or to cause anything to be done.

Committing indictable offence for foreign entity

• 20.2 (1) Every person who commits an indictable offence under this or any other Act of Parliament at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with, a foreign entity is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for life.

Engaging in surreptitious or deceptive conduct

• 20.3 (1) Every person commits an indictable offence who, at the direction of, for the benefit of or in association with, a foreign entity, knowingly engages in surreptitious or deceptive conduct or omits, surreptitiously or with the intent to deceive, to do anything if the person’s conduct or omission is for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or interests of the State or the person is reckless as to whether their conduct or omission is likely to harm Canadian interests.

Influencing political or governmental process

• 20.4 (1) Every person commits an indictable offence who, at the direction of, or in association with, a foreign entity, engages in surreptitious or deceptive conduct with the intent to influence a political or governmental process, educational governance, the performance of a duty in relation to such a process or such governance or the exercise of a democratic right in Canada.

All of these offences carry a maximum of life, and alll of them are subject to consecutive sentencing- so a sentence below life gets tacked on subsequent to other sentences rather than running concurrently.

They’re robust offences. I’ve not heard of any charges laid under them yet. To avoid sidetracks in this threat I think I remember this coming up in the general foreign interference thread.