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Army Reserve Restructuring

High concentration of reserve units.

Proximity to a plurality of CBGs.

2 hrs from Army HQ

Airport

Port Port.

Urban area (attractive posting)

existing Infrastructure

Puts at least one Division in Quebec
Proximity a port is doing nothing for any of the Div HQs, but the remainder of your list is good. Also, using the location of an existing Div HQ will reduce cost moves associated with the transition.
 
The biggest advantage to pre-computer forms was they only asked for exactly what was needed and they were very efficient in layout due to the fact people were directly processing it.

Modern systems often lose sight of the goal of the paperwork in the first place and over complicate what should be a simple process.
Also "We can't process this claim/file as I can't leave X field blank and it won't let me move forward till I get that information" To many processes both government and business are built around the computer programs they use and their weaknesses.
 
Tracking that. But 4 Div now the sustainment Div is likely moving. Currently it employs a lot of Toronto area reservists.
There is no sustainment div, you are getting your terminology confused, you are likely thinking of the support division, which will split between support group west, central and east, and comprise of all the bases. Likely many positions will remain unchanged at the ground level as this is an HQ reorg mostly
 
Yes well I think if we’re talking about winterizing buildings it’s implied the affected training is happening in the buildings. There’s an enormous difference between the heat going out and a building not being winterized - ie lacking insulation.



Great that’s was 30 plus years ago. This is now. Our pay is computerized, we receive pay direct to our bank accounts, and our pay stubs are emailed out. That also applies to leave, and literally every other aspect of personal administration. You’re suggesting not modernizing a building as it’s too much work so we’ll have to develop a bespoke administrative system for this establishment. Brilliant.



That’s why we have automated response on outlook.



Sure and for those recruits we sign up how are they going to respond to a 1940s building with no heat and being given hand outs and lessons from an overhead projector older than the high schools they attended? I’m sure that’s really going to set the tone well.
The "debate" you're having rn might honestly be the most boomer thing Ive seen here lmao. "Back in my day we didnt need heat"
 
The "debate" you're having rn might honestly be the most boomer thing Ive seen here lmao. "Back in my day we didnt need heat"
:ROFLMAO: That wouldn't be nearly as funny if it wasn't true though. I still remember having to roll up on a steel bunk in Meaford, using my two issued grey blankets (stinking of moth balls), in the sole remaining unheated half-an-H-block down around 7th Line in early March. That's when I had time off from charging banks of BB46 lead acid batteries for our C-42 sets during the night. Mind you we wore battle dress and sheep skins or great coats.

A few years later we were doing live fire arty practice camps in Pet in February with no vehicles - everything was done with helicopters. After living for three weeks in a snow bank, coming back to a heated house was downright uncomfortable.

It wasn't so much that "we didn't need heat," as "we didn't get heat."

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High concentration of reserve units.

Proximity to a plurality of CBGs.

2 hrs from Army HQ

Airport

Port Port.

Urban area (attractive posting)

existing Infrastructure

Puts at least one Division in Quebec
Why not Toronto for those same reasons?
 
Did it ever occur to anybody that Ottawa was selected as national capital for having exactly none of the attributes you lot are arguing for now?

There was nobody there. It wasn't Montreal, Toronto or Kingston. There was no transportation to the site. They had to build canals and railways were still a novelty.

Canadian tradition would suggest repurposing the Diavik mine as an HQ.
 
Did it ever occur to anybody that Ottawa was selected as national capital for having exactly none of the attributes you lot are arguing for now?
So what? A division HQ is not a national capital, and 1857 is not 2025. You are discussing different things from different times subject to different factors.
 
Why not Toronto for those same reasons?
Because 4 Div, the support Div will already be in Ontario. I’m guessing 2 Divs in Ontario and none in QC didn’t make sense given the infrastructure already exists in MTL.

Montreal will have the higher density of reservists with Ottawa and QC city being 2 hrs away respectively. Not that that is a likely reason but who knows. It has. A plurality of units located it near it over Toronto.

Why are people upset about this choice exactly?
 
Yes well I think if we’re talking about winterizing buildings it’s implied the affected training is happening in the buildings. There’s an enormous difference between the heat going out and a building not being winterized - ie lacking insulation.
H-huts and old armouries were winterized with insulation? Didn't see any of it when I was in them. Maybe I was liquor blind at the time.

Great that’s was 30 plus years ago. This is now. Our pay is computerized, we receive pay direct to our bank accounts, and our pay stubs are emailed out. That also applies to leave, and literally every other aspect of personal administration. You’re suggesting not modernizing a building as it’s too much work so we’ll have to develop a bespoke administrative system for this establishment. Brilliant.
Not suggesting anything about not modernizing a building, just pointing out that we have and hopefully still can function as a military with whatever we have if needed while poking fun at those dead set that it is absolutely needed.

That’s why we have automated response on outlook.
Why, so people can read and ignore like they do? I have an auto on (have had it for years) that gets slight changes when needed for all the good it does. Still come back to a crap load of emails and always several from at least one person. Have even had the "why are you ignoring me" version of the follow up email. Tempted to set up a rule in my last few weeks that sends the email back to them and deletes it from my account.

Sure and for those recruits we sign up how are they going to respond to a 1940s building with no heat and being given hand outs and lessons from an overhead projector older than the high schools they attended? I’m sure that’s really going to set the tone well.
let's do it and find out. now that you mentioned it seems that it could be a good screening process to see how well they handle the adverse conditions. If they can't handle it they probably well not be very useful when the zombie apocalypse happens.

Can we start with PKI cards?
Weeeelllll - back a few years I was at a reserve unit and opened up a drawer of a desk. It had over 200 pki cards that were never issued to the members. Someone decided that as they were all reservists they didn't need to issue them their cards.

The biggest advantage to pre-computer forms was they only asked for exactly what was needed and they were very efficient in layout due to the fact people were directly processing it.

Modern systems often lose sight of the goal of the paperwork in the first place and over complicate what should be a simple process.
true but then there was a disadvantage with some. Use to hate the "must be in triplicate with carbon paper" mentality even though we had photocopiers. Computers coming into play created another big fight as staff didn't want to adapt to them while I created a word doc to complete claims, do the calculations and lined up so it printed on the green pads. "You can't do that", "why not" "because that's not the way it's done".

The "debate" you're having rn might honestly be the most boomer thing Ive seen here lmao. "Back in my day we didnt need heat"
Debate? What debate? No debate, stroll down memory lane and remember how the military was able to function without all these things that are supposedly an absolute must for survival. Can't help it if people want to get all serious and in a huff about it.

Didn't need heat, didn't need gloves, walking 5 miles home in marching order after ex was ok, eating green eggs and ham IMPs cold, keeping rifles in lockers, Oh, big one for me - didn't need a crappy uncomfortable cot for weekend field exercise!! Ground sheet and piece of ground worked fine. Mind you, the MCpls and Sgts all thought I was crazy first year as I would stand outside the tent in t-shirt and camo pants smoking as it snowed while the other privates were fighting inside to get dressed, knocking into each other and complaining about the cold. After they were done I had the whole tent to myself to get dressed in.

Good times - to the mess, dismissed!!

Almost forgot - no to cash pay parades - they always sucked for everyone regardless of what side of the table you were on.
 
Why the hell would you move anyone? Just issue new TOR to those in place.
So you don’t have division HQs having an incestuous relationship to a single Reg F brigade and knowing only a single region of the country despite holding cross Canada responsibilities. The Expeditionary Div cannot be a 1 CMBG club and it will need pers from 2 CMBG & 5 CMBG & 6 CCSB & Fires. The Defence of Canada Div cannot be a 5 GBMC with 33 CBG & 34 CBG club. The support division cannot be a 2 CMBG club. Functionally focused divisions should result in more annual moves than the current geographical divisions.
 
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