BHP replacement project - C22 Pistol megathread

[Fabius]

The military and sport shooting have a closely intertwined history. It’s only in recent history that due to government policy have they diverged at an institutional level.
At an individual level I agree we should not rely on private practice to attain the minimum skills needed but institutionally we are foolish to ignore and abandon private sport shooting as a means to develop and further skills and techniques.

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[markppcli]

The military and sport shooting have a closely intertwined history. It’s only in recent history that due to government policy have they diverged at an institutional level.
At an individual level I agree we should not rely on private practice to attain the minimum skills needed but institutionally we are foolish to ignore and abandon private sport shooting as a means to develop and further skills and techniques.

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Which is t at all what I said lol.

 

[Good2Golf]

Didn’t you guys carry your 226s in Condition 2? That’s how I, and the people I worked with, would carry them. Hammer down on a loaded chamber. The only 226 that should be carried Condition 1 is the fairly uncommon 226 SAO Legion.

Edited to add the late Colonel Cooper’s handgun conditions:

• Condition Four: Chamber empty, no magazine, hammer down.
• Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine, hammer down.
• Condition Two: Round chambered, full magazine, hammer down.
• Condition One: Round chambered, full magazine, hammer cocked, safety on.
• Condition Zero: Round chambered, full magazine, hammer cocked, safety off.

Readied and de-cocked. So I suppose technically yes, Colonel Cooper would call it Condition 2. Like KevinB says below, I think a lot of folks, myself included, use Condition 1 as “good to go with minimum fuss.”

Very few folks consider hammer down on a DA/SA gun condition 2. That was an idiot aspect for SA hammer guns (1911 or BHP as examples) where folks where ease the hammer down and then try to cock the hammer if they need to fire it.

Or half-cock the BHP…an equally stupid move IMO.

Coopers rules were for SA hammer guns like the 1911 and BHP. Condition 1 for Striker fired or DA/SA guns is simply hammer down on a loaded chamber.
They never got updated to thinking about guns DA and Striker guns without safeties


For Striker guns or DA guns like the P225/226/229, hammer down on a loaded chamber chamber is Condition 1 (Readied).

Dude told me it was condition 1, which in the sense of draw from holster and pull trigger and fire, that made sense to me.

The irony is that people think Cooper meant for there to be a progression from 4 to zero, but I don’t think that’s the case.

Unless I’m totally missing something, Condition 2 can be effectively the same as Conditioner 1 can be the same effectively as Condition 0, for DA/SA, SA and DAO/Striker respectively…all those conditions can result in a pistol being drawn and less a bit of Thumby McThumbThumb action in the SA, they all fire… right?

 

[markppcli]

Readied and de-cocked. So I suppose technically yes, Colonel Cooper would call it Condition 2. Like KevinB says below, I think a lot of folks, myself included, use Condition 1 as “good to go with minimum fuss.”


Or half-cock the BHP…an equally stupid move IMO.


Dude told me it was condition 1, which in the sense of draw from holster and pull trigger and fire, that made sense to me.

The irony is that people think Cooper meant for there to be a progression from 4 to zero, but I don’t think that’s the case.

Unless I’m totally missing something, Condition 2 can be effectively the same as Conditioner 1 can be the same effectively as Condition 0, for DA/SA, SA and DAO/Striker respectively…all those conditions can result in a pistol being drawn and less a bit of Thumby McThumbThumb action in the SA, they all fire… right?

Oh hod the half cock on the bhp