CAF Security Forces [Split from RCN Anti Drone Weapon]
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I don’t think the ARes is remotely close to being able to reliably sustain something like this. If you have a full time established need, you need a full time establishment.
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Make it so. Invest in it. Somebody has to do it.
And if it is a local need use local people.
Agreed and not to mention proximity issues to said locations.
Hasty Ps near Trenton could be a good unit to farm class B types for anugmentation and or CFTPO tasks depending what the unit there would be up to or not.
Not sure if places like Cold Lake have that sort of thing (ie a reserve unit to support).
You don’t invest in the ARes to fill a standing large task in perpetuity. You want to give a few gunners some thrills shooting at mountains each winter? Have at ‘er. Occasional and sporadic DOMOPS for security or disasters? Yup; that’s not a standing demand. But if we know right now that for the next 40 years we’re going to need Pl to Coy sized elements at specific bases, plus small deployable contingents DAG green on minimal notice to move, that’s ‘continuing full time service’ (see @FJAG and @dapaterson ? I listen!) and a reg force capability to fill.
By all means augment with reservists if it’s occasionally needed, or to boost a training cadre, or if it’s seen as a way to create an additional not-usually-relied-upon surge capacity. But the only safe and reliable way to plan this core capability is with regs.
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That’s not a class B job, it’s a Class C realistically, which mean it is a Reg Force task.
Frankly it should not be that hard to do, as for the simplest (but not best) method you could plus up the Inf BN’s and make it an ERE position, or just recreate D Coy’s and then post them out to the various areas.
But it’s not a real Infantry line serial, it’s a blend of Infantry, Security Guard, and Police person. So it should be a new trade, or at least will require a lot of supplemental training for folks coming from Cbt Arms and/Or MP positions (and the MP’s would want to keep spec pay).
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Comox, Pat Bay, Esquimalt, Dundurn, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Trenton, Halifax, Yellowknife, Gander, Goose Bay, and many more.
You can stand up a full time local coverage from shift work soldiers.
Yes. By establishing it as a reg force unit. Suggesting the PRes could or should do this task is so far off that it’s frankly delusional.
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I'm with @KevinB on this one. These sorts of things will be a mixture of infantry, police and security guard. It's not a Pres task it's a reg F task.
Closest civilian equivalent is probably nuclear reactor security teams. They have swat like QRF capabilities to back up the front gate comissionaire equivalents (and the unseen armed guards).
Closest civilian equivalent is probably nuclear reactor security teams. They have swat like QRF capabilities to back up the front gate comissionaire equivalents (and the unseen armed guards).
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Fine. Class C terms. RAF Regiment trades. Gunners, rifles and coppers.
Add in a bit of light cavalry for perimeter patrols and you have jobs for Territorial Battalions.
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We have had for a significant amount of time after 9/11 sailors watching the gates in Halifax on class C contracts. I would imagine if offered with some exciting training it wouldn't be that difficult to find bodies.
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That's not our legal framework. Reserve force augmentation / surge / mobilization (by individuals sub-units or units), but the standing force is the Regular Force.
If the Regular Force cannot man and manage itself to meet its tasks, then that's a strategic leadership failure.
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Nope. In this case, the CAF can't half ass and lie to itself. External review and audit will force compliance.
So I got curious and just did a dive into the Nuclear Safety and Control Act, and the Nuclear Security Regulations. Nuclear Security Officers are a statutorily prescribed entity who have limited peace officer status at their designated sites. This puts them under the conventional Criminal Code provisions for use of force.
The NDA could be amended to create a similar Security Forces Officer who is granted peace officer status, with regulations as necessary to flesh out a lot of the specifics. Some of the latter could probably just be amendments to the Defence Controlled Access Area regulations.
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It will be a first. I haven't seen anything anywhere to even remotely suggest that any element of the Regs wants to engage with the mundane. Especially if it might mean covering Goose Bay, Cold Lake or, God forbid, Alert.
Ottawa or Toronto, with cost of living escalators please.
None of those places have decent catchment areas for reservists and if you think the regs don’t want mundane, the reserves want it even less and have the ability to walk away to something else.
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The Regs will engage if the alternative is “none of those assets are allowed in Canada”.
I'm on the same page as you mate, but let's remember...this is the same government that didn't see it that way when they took away PLA/PLD to save a whopping $30M...
Here's to hoping though
That myth has to end. It wasn’t “CAF saving $30M” - it was TB saying “do it or we take away all PLD, CFHD, everything”.
