CAF Security Forces [Split from RCN Anti Drone Weapon]
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Quirky
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They are serious countries with serious militaries.
OldSolduer
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The cost of business is far cheaper than the cost of NOT doing business. Where's my free dental plan?????
markppcli
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Most other countries don’t let people just walk onto their bases as a default.
daftandbarmy
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Unless you happen to be hosting an unofficial orgy, of course
Paratroopers banned from Nato deployment after Essex orgy – report
Colchester barracks incident came after other cases and could be seen to denigrate women, says head of armyHundreds of paratroopers have reportedly been banned from an annual Nato deployment to the Balkans after videos emerged of an orgy at a military barracks.
In a letter to generals and commanding officers, the new head of the army, Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, said he was not willing to “risk the mission or the reputation of the British army” by sending them overseas.
It emerged this month that eight paratroopers from 16 Air Assault Brigade had been placed under police investigation after being filmed having a consensual orgy with a civilian woman at Merville barracks in Colchester, Essex, while dozens of others watched.
Paratroopers banned from Nato deployment after Essex orgy – report
Colchester barracks incident came after other cases and could be seen to denigrate women, says head of army
www.theguardian.com
GK .Dundas
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The British Parachute Regiment the gift that keeps giving....in this case headlines.
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I large part because we as a society have allowed military service to be looked down on as a waste of time, or unnecessary. That's why it needs to be a government priority to make the CAF appealing through "whole of government" messaging, and by properly resourcing the CAF.
There are 40 million Canadians. That means there are plenty of people who can easily fill those positions if the government decided it's a priority to fill them. Let's stop pretending there is a shortage of potential recruits, and accept that the CAF "Offer" isn't all that great when stacked up against other opportunities.
Instead of throwing money at "wonder" technologies that pretty much never work as advertised, and cost significantly more by the time they do get working, we could take some of the money and use it to make the CAF more compelling.
See my above comments about new "wonder" technologies.... They often look nice on paper, but don't actually work like they shiny brochure says.
The ResF proportionally is far worse off than the RegF, how will more empty ResF billets help anyone?
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And STIs...
Is eight enough for her to get her jump wings?Unless you happen to be hosting an unofficial orgy, of course
Paratroopers banned from Nato deployment after Essex orgy – report
Colchester barracks incident came after other cases and could be seen to denigrate women, says head of army
Hundreds of paratroopers have reportedly been banned from an annual Nato deployment to the Balkans after videos emerged of an orgy at a military barracks.
In a letter to generals and commanding officers, the new head of the army, Gen Sir Patrick Sanders, said he was not willing to “risk the mission or the reputation of the British army” by sending them overseas.
It emerged this month that eight paratroopers from 16 Air Assault Brigade had been placed under police investigation after being filmed having a consensual orgy with a civilian woman at Merville barracks in Colchester, Essex, while dozens of others watched.
Paratroopers banned from Nato deployment after Essex orgy – report
Colchester barracks incident came after other cases and could be seen to denigrate women, says head of army
GR66
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Agreed, but this is not a magic wand solution to the personnel problem. And it's not only a Canada problem. Even the US where the military is largely idolized they are having difficulty reaching their recruiting numbers. Improved messaging will hopefully have an effect in the long term but will likely take a generation to show any real impact and even then I doubt it will be enough of an impact on recruiting numbers.
Recruiting and training pipeline issues aside, you make it sound like it's a Government decision on how many young Canadians (a shrinking proportion of the 40 million population total BTW) choose to want to join the CAF. We may not be accepting every candidate that is applying but a quick glance at the Recruiting threads will also show that a notable portion of applicants appear to be older, have issues with depression, anxiety, obesity or are PR's with security clearance issues. Now I don't have access to stats showing what the reasons for are for those applicants that are rejected, but taking a look around the general population I can speculate that a significant portion may have been rejected as not being suitable as opposed to being beaten out by other highly qualified applicants.
Why are new military technologies described disparagingly as "wonder technologies"? The biplane, the submarine and the tank were "wonder technologies" in WW1. Jet aircraft, cruise (V1) and ballistic (V2) missiles and aircraft carriers were "wonder technologies" in WW2. SAM's and AA missiles were "wonder technologies" in Vietnam. ATGM's were "wonder technologies" in the Yom Kippur War. Drones were the "wonder technologies" in Nagorno-Karabakh.
Yes, spend more money on making the CAF more compelling. Plenty of money available for both if we step up and spend 2-3% of GDP on Defence.
Watch any late night infomercial. Even low-tech products seldom work like the shiny brochure says. That's no reason to ignore advances in technology...military or otherwise. Right now the CAF is equipped with the greatest in 1980's military technology. It's 2025...do we re-equip our military with 2020 technology or do we look forward and aim for 2030 technology? Not everything needs to be a radical change from the "standard" equipment, but there are many proven technologies out there that we simply seem unwilling to adopt.
I'll go to your first point above about improved Government messaging drawing in more applicants. I'm willing to bet that such a policy will be even more effective at attracting young Canadians to part-time or short duration commitments to military service than full-time, long service positions. And the more Canadians that get a taste of military experience - even if limited - the quicker the public mindset will shift towards being more favourable to the military and military spending in general.
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And what is crazy is that in the past year and a half this trend was going the wrong way - by order of various command elements.
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Security Forces work hand in hand with MPs. They share and cooperate. Often a security force will be the first to deal with/see an issue that will require the MPs.
Security Forces can restrict/deny movement of a person until the MPs arrive.
So if there was a threat to the base the local cops would call their MP contacts and inform them (as normal). MPs should coordinate with the security teams. And vice versa.
We had a sailor gain access to other ships late at night to steal booze. When discovered the Duty Watch (Security staff) closed the brow (the exit) and wouldn't let them leave. MPs showed up and arrested them. If someone came in the dockyard with a weapon the MPs get the word out and the ships go to a higher security level within12min (fleet standard). Teamwork.
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Messaging is only part of what I suggested needs fixing. The other part is resources, like kit, housing, and pay/bonuses.
Messaging will help fix the underlying issue of lack of interest in service, resources will attract the more mercenary minded. We don't need a CAF filled with idealists, we need people with the appropriate aptitude/skills, and right now private industry and the PS are a better offer in their eyes.
We don't necessarily need "young" Canadians, we need people who meet the minimum standard in sufficient numbers. Parts of the medical barriers have already been eliminated/relaxed to allow people who might have had treated mental health issues, or other non-life threatening issues. We diagnose a lot more issues that we did in the past, so it makes sense that more people are getting filtered out for things that never would have been diagnosed even just 20-30 years ago.
There are lots of recruiting issues that need to be sorted, but broadly, we take too long to get people into the CAF, and that means the suitable ones have often moved on by the time we offer a job.
This is why these conversations are difficult, because people cherry pick the few examples of things that did work out.
For every successful example there are lots of things that failed. Not every sub, bi-plane, or carrier was a success, even though the overall concepts would eventually prove successful. That was kinda my point though, by the time those weapons systems were ready for prime time, they had ended up costing superpowers significantly more than they were intended to. Canada isn't a superpower, we can't afford to be chasing unproven technology in a big way. We can contribute to allied efforts, but we should be working with what works right now. My occupation is falling apart right now because people 16 years ago decided to bet the farm on technologies that never materialized, weren't adopted, or weren't funded... I have seen first-hand how magical thinking can kill morale and cause people to leave.
The difference is, if I buy a $20 kitchen gadget that doesn't do what it's supposed to, I'm out $20... If the CAF goes all-in on a system/project costing $3 Billion, and it doesn't work, we have lost a lot of money and time. Money and time that could be dedicated to proven technologies.
We should be looking at what works, and what our allies are proving works, but we shouldn't be trying to pave the way for others. We don't have funding to play in that league. When the CAF has enough modern kit, and keeps it maintained, then it would be the time to play around with trialing new concepts. Until then we would essentially be adding a sick new sound system to a rusting out 1994 Civic, and pretending we are changing the world.
This is a misconception I see posted a lot around here. I have yet to meet any new members in the real world who think they must serve a long time, or even past their first ToS. I suspect that the forum thinks this way because most of us are long serving members, and that feeds into a bit of a echo chamber. The NEP has had pretty strong success, maybe that's an avenue the other elements should be looking at, to get people through the doors and see what CAF life is actually like.
I'm not opposed to more ResF, but we should maybe hold off looking to expand the ResF role until we find out how to get more people in and regularly attending training. Just like we shouldn't be expanding the RegF until we figure out how to get more people into the RegF.
To bring this back to CAF security, the lack of a sizeable and dedicated security force is a perfect example of "cutting the fat" when things are good, without considering things will not always be good. We made or security force a police force, and we don't have enough of them now to do when we need them to do any more.
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This is why you need Colonial wars, to keep the lads busy.
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The Regiment is the father........
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They're good boys.... when ruled with an iron fist.
I recall one particular enormous brawl in downtown Aldershot that earned the battalion a 50 miler the following week.
Yes, group punishments do work well
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Speed up processing and getting them onto courses
Improve and expand base infrastructure, including both single and married quarters.
New equipment for Reserves and Regular Force, set a replace by date, so we are not trying to keep old equipment going.
New equipment replacement purchases should be on a 2 new for one old, make it that they have to work hard to justify even a 1 for 1 replacement.
Setup a short term program like NEP for the Army.
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For step one to work you need people to teach those courses, which means you need to retain experience (or leverage the local economy for ex-military civilian instructors). There are huge wait times for courses because your schools are in places like Borden, which are overwhelmingly expensive places to live for instructors who are typically in their 30's-40's with families. For step one to work you need to build more housing, and provide free daycare for military families so their spouses can work, on these training bases first. How many PMQs has Borden, for example, built in the last 10 years? Canada can easily hit the 2% target with infrastructure projects across the CAF alone.
edit: off-topic again damn it.
