CAF Security Forces [Split from RCN Anti Drone Weapon]

[Kirkhill]

You seem to be lumping both the UAS threat into ground security issues, and the Mil/Civ airports into one issue as well.

I’m not sure what the exactly Canadian breakdown is for UAS, I know it is similar to that down here, that UAS of a certain type are limited to accredited drone pilots, while others can be bought and flown by anyone, but as to where the break down is made I don’t know.

So far no civilian UAS can be flown by tether, so the fiber optic controlled drones would be a clear indication of hostile intent.
Non tethered drones can be limited by various measures.

I’m again not sure if you seem to be suggesting that the CA setup CUAS units at every vital point/airfield in Canada? Because if so, I think you are seriously pissing into the wind.

Not that there isn’t a potential threat, but that the cost and potential issues with the ‘cure’ may be more harmful that anyone is willing to swallow at this point outside of limited areas.

I'm asking, when the rule book is thrown out, whose responsibility is it to protect the structures and institutions of society and keep it working.

If your first course of action is to appeal to a rule book and tell me "that's not allowed" then you are misunderstanding me.

We have rules. Our enemies both exploit and ignore them. Our rules are not their rules.

 

[Furniture]

I'm asking, when the rule book is thrown out, whose responsibility is it to protect the structures and institutions of society and keep it working.

If your first course of action is to appeal to a rule book and tell me "that's not allowed" then you are misunderstanding me.

We have rules. Our enemies both exploit and ignore them. Our rules are not their rules.

That's a bridge we'll have to cross when we get there.

Trying to solve all possible problems, before we solve the very real CAF problems first will lead to not making progress on anything, or as Frederick The Great said "He who defends everything defends nothing"

 

[Kirkhill]

That's a bridge we'll have to cross when we get there.

Trying to solve all possible problems, before we solve the very real CAF problems first will lead to not making progress on anything, or as Frederick The Great said "He who defends everything defends nothing"

I'm sorry but I kind of feel the question lies at the heart of the purpose of the CAF. The corollary is @FJAG 's mobilization plan. Where is it and who is responsible for its absence?

 

[lenaitch]

Seemingly Dundurn was unable to achieve that same success, and ask Gagetown how things went the year they thought they were not going to support the moose hunt.

I don't know the details of those events but it sounds like the somebody either at the DND/CAF/Federal government acquiescing to some local use request. Civilians cannot, as a right, access DND property.

 

[Furniture]

I'm sorry but I kind of feel the question lies at the heart of the purpose of the CAF. The corollary is @FJAG 's mobilization plan. Where is it and who is responsible for its absence?

The CAF exists to defend Canada, but that doesn't mean everywhere, all at once, on the slight chance something bad might happen.

We need to make our bases and critical CAF infrastructure secure, so we can launch from those places to defend the rest of Canada.

 

[lenaitch]

I'm asking, when the rule book is thrown out, whose responsibility is it to protect the structures and institutions of society and keep it working.

If your first course of action is to appeal to a rule book and tell me "that's not allowed" then you are misunderstanding me.

We have rules. Our enemies both exploit and ignore them. Our rules are not their rules.

Your argument sounds akin to if crime gets out of control in a municipality it is appropriate to call in the military. In the first instance, protecting civilian property is the responsibility of the civilian authorities. As in past conflicts, establish a 'home guard' or something like that. Most large police services have auxiliary members who can be activated and 'deputized' (given full independent police powers) is required. In some cases, like nuclear power plants, they have their own armed security.

If you want the CAF to be positioned as first line security for all domestic critical infrastructure in Canada, you're going to need a bigger boat.

 

[Jarnhamar]

We should get a half-section of reservists to see how easy they can access restricted areas on bases and see how far they can get/look at what kind of notional damage they could do.

Based off these dudes.

 

[brihard]

We should get a half-section of reservists to see how easy they can access restricted areas on bases and see how far they can get/look at what kind of notional damage they could do.

Based off these dudes.

I was thinking that the other day; CAF should absolutely have a ‘red team’.

It would be hard to argue with video of a UAS hovering over a parked CC330 for twenty seconds, then sliding just off to the side and dropping a Nerf football on the tarmac beside the plane.

 

[daftandbarmy]

We should get a half-section of reservists to see how easy they can access restricted areas on bases and see how far they can get/look at what kind of notional damage they could do.

Based off these dudes.

As we saw, even a few civvies with rattle cans can waltz into an operational RAF base, in the UK, on scooters and get away scot free.

'Testing defenses' is pretty much a waste of time unless you adequately resource and prepare the guard force for any fixed facility.

Having both manned defenses for, and tested from the outside in, various fixed sites (airfields, navy bases, fuel depots etc) during ops and exercises even 'well prepared' defenses can be breached pretty easily.

And given the advances in technology since then, as we've seen with drones, the challenge is only that much harder.

 

[Remius]

We should get a half-section of reservists to see how easy they can access restricted areas on bases and see how far they can get/look at what kind of notional damage they could do.

Based off these dudes.

They did that a long time ago. I was not there on that one but the ones that were had a good time doing that sort of thing. Only rule for the particular location being “tested” was don’t go past the green doors.

Lots of lessons learned apparently but the exercise was never repeated. Was a one time sort of thing.