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I know of some US Army types including pilots that would do that for a landed immigrant card after 3 years even if deployed (plus 1 to unlearn the US way and learn oursWhat if we started recruiting in Europe and elsewhere?
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I know of some US Army types including pilots that would do that for a landed immigrant card after 3 years even if deployed (plus 1 to unlearn the US way and learn ours) Especially if we upgrade to the Blackhawk at some point.
Maybe so, but 30 years on the Bell 412-EP(SAR) we badge as a Griffon is getting long in the tooth and is limited in capacity. And upgrading to the UH1Y that the USMC is using is almost as expensive and less capable than the 'Hawk.That Black Hawk ship sailed away on April 29, 1992…
…which is?There is a reason that Maple Resolve seems to always have 4 or 5 HH-60M birds up from the lower 48 to assist...
can't send prayers. Religion is not allowedMaybe thoughts and prayers?
The HH60Ms are properly equipped for medevac (litter system, oxygen, suction, patient monitors, etc) and have far mor advanced avionics... just a far more useful helicopter if something actually went wrong on the exercise and many casualties had to be evacuated is my understanding.…which is?
In fairness would we even have the HH60M even if we had the Blachawk as the main helicopter of the CAF? It is the special MEDVAC unit. Not the CSAR unit but pretty specialized.The HH60Ms are properly equipped for medevac (litter system, oxygen, suction, patient monitors, etc) and have far mor advanced avionics... just a far more useful helicopter if something actually went wrong on the exercise and many casualties had to be evacuated is my understanding.
I don't think anyone was saying that Canada would realistically have the HH60M. I what Skysix was getting at is that our own helicopters cannot do the job of medevac well enough to risk not asking the Americans to send theirs up - which is somewhat embarrassing. When I was on MR21 the only Americans invited to my knowledge were the HH60Ms and crews, no manouvre elements. From the grapevine it sounded like their helicopters were a significant factor in whether or not training was OK'd for the day or not. We were already restricted from operating at night to prevent any accidents due to the limited medical personnel available, so that should give some insight into the risk tolerance vs capabilities discussion being had higher.In fairness would we even have the HH60M even if we had the Blachawk as the main helicopter of the CAF? It is the special MEDVAC unit. Not the CSAR unit but pretty specialized.
Correct. And they can carry more per lift. Additionally the medics are Critical Care Paramedic level the same as ORNGE (68WF2 - also civilian FP-C (certified flight paramedics) and can do more than the ACP's in Canada (although not much more than the Alberta REMT-P's)The HH60Ms are properly equipped for medevac (litter system, oxygen, suction, patient monitors, etc) and have far mor advanced avionics... just a far more useful helicopter if something actually went wrong on the exercise and many casualties had to be evacuated is my understanding.
A while back STARS used to position a BK117 at CFB Wainwright during major exercises but I believe the cost of the standby, the limited capacity of a single injured soldier per lift, and the difficulty in providing quarters etc and enough staff for that coverage (in addition to STARS's normal commitments) led to looking at other solutions.When I was on MR21 the only Americans invited to my knowledge were the HH60Ms and crews . . . From the grapevine it sounded like their helicopters were a significant factor in whether or not training was OK'd for the day or not. We were already restricted from operating at night to prevent any accidents due to the limited medical personnel available
Ah, you mean like having a semi-ER like capability and a medical emergency resuscitation team?The HH60Ms are properly equipped for medevac (litter system, oxygen, suction, patient monitors, etc) and have far mor advanced avionics... just a far more useful helicopter if something actually went wrong on the exercise and many casualties had to be evacuated is my understanding.
Those are mostly theoretical.There are a few good advantages to using a digital pattern. I'll leave it at that.
Probably not enoughIf you spent some time thinking about what kit we actually have I think you'll realize that we have quite a lot of US kit, or US derivative equipment.
Can't we just use these guys?I don't think anyone was saying that Canada would realistically have the HH60M. I what Skysix was getting at is that our own helicopters cannot do the job of medevac well enough to risk not asking the Americans to send theirs up - which is somewhat embarrassing. When I was on MR21 the only Americans invited to my knowledge were the HH60Ms and crews, no manouvre elements. From the grapevine it sounded like their helicopters were a significant factor in whether or not training was OK'd for the day or not. We were already restricted from operating at night to prevent any accidents due to the limited medical personnel available, so that should give some insight into the risk tolerance vs capabilities discussion being had higher.
This is all to say - everyone knows that newer kit and better capabilities would be more gooder. Just one example of a gap.
There's a LOT of defence procurement jokes that could be made right there re: Ukraine's possible responseHonestly Canada should probably approach the US and say, ‘hey, we can field a Bde in Latvia - if you give us equipment for an ABCT, and we will give 1 CMBG equipment to Ukraine ...
FACT SHEET - U.S. Defense Contributions to Europe
...an airborne infantry battalion from Italy to Latvia...
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FACT SHEET - U.S. Defense Contributions to Europe
The United States responded swiftly and effectively in close cooperation with our NATO Allies to the European security crisis brought about by Russia’s aggression against Ukraine.www.defense.gov
Headaches and empty promisesAmongst other big NATO Europe reinforcements US is moving this unit:
What will our government add to Latvia force?
In an endless stream of "... uh ... uh ..." the closest Trudeau got to any commitment was "Canada will fall in line."What will our government add to Latvia force?
"Good morning, former Stewards... welcome to BASF Adazi....."At NATO presser just now formin Joly said Canada would be increasing strength in Latvia from 800 to 1,400 "troops". Love to know what Army units, equipment. Defmin Anand to give details. Maybe stationing RCAF Hornets? Couldn't count RCN personnel on ship in Baltic, could they?