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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Negotiations have been tried for months?

Trump was inaugurated 11 days ago.

Could you clarify your statement please?
Trump’s been happy to take credit for things that happened before his inauguration. Let’s not pretend for a second that he and his inner circle haven’t been in play since at least the election.
 
It’s never too late for Canada and Canadians too start focusing on their own national interests and too undertake things that they fully control.

Canada can scrap the planned carbon tax increases that are still scheduled.

Canada can immediately start disassembling interprovincial trade barriers.

Canada can start development of O&G export routes to the coasts.

Canada can make itself more attractive to foreign investment.

Canada can spend more on defence.

Canada can take national security more seriously.

No matter how much Canadians dislike Trump, Canada can’t make him do anything.

We can either spend our efforts fighting the US in a trade war, where is winning is us remaining as vulnerable as before or we spend our efforts building our own internal strength and building our global capacity.

I expect we will expend our efforts fighting the US while ignoring any attempts to make our selves more resilient and diversified.

Only under a Conservative majority. PP has most of these in his policy.

None of these things will happen under the liberals. Ever.
 
Trump’s been happy to take credit for things that happened before his inauguration. Let’s not pretend for a second that he and his inner circle haven’t been in play since at least the election.

Floating ideas, claiming responsibility, laying groundwork. These are not negotiations. The only prelude to negotiations has been Daniel Smith and Joly in her riding outfit. Trudeau hasn't even tried to talk to him. Instead he's ramping up the rhetoric and making things worse.
 

One way the temperature of these discussions could be lowered is by removing the word "war" from the vocabulary. Along with "existential" and "devastating".

We are not looking at a short, sharp shock here. We are looking at a change of course.
 
I find those messages, bumper stickers etc particularly repugnant and low class. I might think that of both of them, and I may have said those lines, but I now refrain from doing so. Its adding to the problem and promoting "yer fer is er agin us" attitudes.
Actually, I find them repugnant as well. My comment was intended more to point out the differences between those who are anti-Trudeau and make it known to all compared to those who are anti-Trump and are more restrained. I would, however, like to see large peaceful demonstrations in all major cities showing solidarity with our government’s efforts to deal with his tactics.
 
From the Telegraph article above. Ms Leavitt is the new White House press secretary.

And she's absolutely right.

Unless it's trudeau's intent to create a national emergency. He's proven time and again over 10 years, he could care less about the poverty, strife and hardships he places on Canadians. Canadians are simple cannon fodder to his goals.
 
From the Telegraph article above. Ms Leavitt is the new White House press secretary.
Leavitt considers Trudeau’s “forceful” and “immediate” retaliation comments to be “outlandish” despite what Trump has said and done?

On top of that, Trump is now talking about tariffs on the EU as well. I wonder how long it’s going to take for the senators and congressmen who are currently supporting Trump to finally realize that he has serious mental problems.
 
Leavitt considers Trudeau’s “forceful” and “immediate” retaliation comments to be “outlandish” despite what Trump has said and done?

On top of that, Trump is now talking about tariffs on the EU as well. I wonder how long it’s going to take for the senators and congressmen who are currently supporting Trump to finally realize that he has serious mental problems.
Oh everybody knows that. They are too scared to do anything about it.
Imagine being the family of the BlackHawk pilot right now. Nobody reaching out, the US Army too scared to ask him to back off for a bit.
 
And so it begins. Never let a crisis go to waste.




The return of the tariff economy - carbonmail.

To be honest I actually prefer that solution over the carbon sales tax. But that's just me.

It's still a carbon tax. Basic economics says if the manufacturer and supplier are paying the tax, so will you. Those people are not prepared, nor should they be, to carry your burden. Carney must think we're stupid peasants.
 
If your getting upset at bumper stickers you need to rethink your focus. You may not like it, but there is SFA you can do about it. It's someone's opinion and they are entitled to it just like you are yours.

Just like it's just an opinion about Trumps mental acuity.
 

One way the temperature of these discussions could be lowered is by removing the word "war" from the vocabulary. Along with "existential" and "devastating".
Maybe our neighbour should get that memo about using more temperate language, too, then?

So, bets on quick (US starts collecting its new tax Saturday?) or slow (declare an emergency & go through some process before the sweet revenues start pouring into US coffers)? Some guesses from CNN:
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Oh look, Trump himself says there is nothing that can be done to stop tariffs.

It makes no difference what we do. We are not dealing with a stable ally.
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Oh everybody knows that. They are too scared to do anything about it.
Imagine being the family of the BlackHawk pilot right now. Nobody reaching out, the US Army too scared to ask him to back off for a bit.
Yeah, no kidding, imagine still getting through the shock of having your family killed, and having POTUS coming on tv blaming them while they are still fishing people out of the water and barely started any kind of investigation. What a POS.
 
If I had one wish, it would be that Trump put this on the back burner until after the election. The liberals can't be trusted to bargain Canada's position from a position of what’s good for the country.
 
I'd really like to see a creative and nuanced approah to our response on this.

There's been a lot of ink spilled about the reality that while Trump's tariffs will be damaging to our economy, the actual financial cost will be paid by American consumers. Hopefully we don't jump right in after him and cut off our consumers and manufacturers nose to spite our face with dollar for dollar broadbased tariffs


Targetted tariffs on goods that are at the end of the supply chain, and either extremely elastic in their demand (non-essential) or substitutable for goods made elsewhere- Canada is ideal, but EU, Korea, Japan good to. Ex. Farm machinery, vehicle models that compete against those assembled in Ontario, Ford's liquor idea. We can't win trading economic broadsides- but targetted measures should be able to punch back while funnell8ng domestic demand into domestic products
 
Some of our politicians are playing the same game as Trump - pointing abroad to distract from problems at home, with plenty of unhelpful heated rhetoric. I suppose along with "trade war against Americans" and "war rooms" we'll soon be forming small sub-groups of cabinet MPs and MLAs and calling them "war cabinets". Bellicose language is easy. Substantive policy to offset recessionary effects is hard.

I haven't heard of even the simplest inter-provincial trade barrier being dropped by anyone, yet.
 
My bingo card has: “Trump will keep beasting Canada until Trudeau and any subsequent Liberal PM is gone…”

We’ll see if I’m wrong…
 
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