CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Good2Golf]

If the U.S. wants to release what they have from their own intelligence, great. Their sources are theirs to partly or fully expose as they see fit.

I believe that would be the case. It’s up to Canada and what it discloses itself, and its plan to address the interference.

Hopefully they’d also be willing to let Canadian authorities disclose and use that information in court as evidence and see it challenged in the course of prosecutions as applicable.

I actually think there would be an interim step that we in general would not see, that is the US would provide evidentiary-grade info/intel to agencies that it believes are not the cause, or contributions deliberately to Canada’s extant, de facto willful ignorance.

 

[Brad Sallows]

If the U.S. wants to release what they have from their own intelligence, great. Their sources are theirs to partly or fully expose as they see fit. Hopefully they’d also be willing to let Canadian authorities disclose and use that information in court as evidence and see it challenged in the course of prosecutions as applicable.

"Gosh, I hope nothing bad happens if the US airs our dirty laundry."

 

[brihard]

"Gosh, I hope nothing bad happens if the US airs our dirty laundry."

Nope, I mean exactly what I said, precisely how I said it, exactly at face value. If they make that decision and it should serve Canada’s law enforcement and security interests, great.

Don’t mistake the significant and valid information sharing and disclosure concerns I raise in these discussions with me not wanting issues with our national security to be decisively and openly addressed. I can recognize the complexity of the problem without liking that complexity. If a foreign party has their own sourced info that can shortcut our legal barriers, cool.

Am I actually optimistic we would see this happen in a way conducive to judicial use in Canada? No I’m not. But a man can dream.

 

[Kirkhill]

In support of Trump's position -

One of Trump's Executive Orders required withdrawal from the World Health Organization.

Which apparently resulted in this:

Pai said Tuesday that “everything went crazy” at the WHO headquarters when Trump’s executive order was signed Monday.

“Everybody here is absolutely stressed, devastated, and literally freaking out because some of their programs at WHO are extremely reliant on U.S. government funding,” said Pai, who is also a global health professor at McGill University in Montreal.

“They’re not even sure how to keep the lights on, keep their staff working, keep the programs going, so it’s a pretty massive crisis.”

Dr. Madhukar Pai, the Canada Research Chair in Epidemiology and Global Health, is at the WHO headquarters in Geneva this week

U.S. pulling out of WHO a threat to public health around the world, including Canada: doctor

Pai says if there is a major disease outbreak and the U.S. isn't looped into the worldwide response, it would spread -- likely into Canada.

nationalpost.com

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Why can't this international organization operate just because the US withdraws its support?

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This is what Trump and the vast majority of Americans are concerned about. Every international body is reliant on US taxpayer money. And nobody else ponies up anything like their share. The institutions have been in place since 1944. Their budgets were set in 1944.

The world no longer looks like it did in 1944.

The Yanks can't foot everyone else's bill.

 

[Kirkhill]

Nope, I mean exactly what I said, precisely how I said it, exactly at face value. If they make that decision and it should serve Canada’s law enforcement and security interests, great.

Don’t mistake the significant and valid information sharing and disclosure concerns I raise in these discussions with me not wanting issues with our national security to be decisively and openly addressed. I can recognize the complexity of the problem without liking that complexity. If a foreign party has their own sourced info that can shortcut our legal barriers, cool.

Am I actually optimistic we would see this happen in a way conducive to judicial use in Canada? No I’m not. But a man can dream.

Not all information needs to go before the courts to have consequential value. And not every miscreant needs to go to jail, as satisfying as that might be.

 

[brihard]

Not all information needs to go before the courts to have consequential value. And not every miscreant needs to go to jail, as satisfying as that might be.

Yes, I’m very well aware. I’m just engaging the hypothetical that was raised by G2G a few posts up.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

In support of Trump's position -

One of Trump's Executive Orders required withdrawal from the World Health Organization.

Which apparently resulted in this:

U.S. pulling out of WHO a threat to public health around the world, including Canada: doctor

Pai says if there is a major disease outbreak and the U.S. isn't looped into the worldwide response, it would spread -- likely into Canada.

nationalpost.com

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Why can't this international organization operate just because the US withdraws its support?

....

This is what Trump and the vast majority of Americans are concerned about. Every international body is reliant on US taxpayer money. And nobody else ponies up anything like their share. The institutions have been in place since 1944. Their budgets were set in 1944.

The world no longer looks like it did in 1944.

The Yanks can't foot everyone else's bill.

Perhaps soros and gates will pick up the slack.

Why The World Health Organization Treats Bill Gates Like A President

The World Health Organization (WHO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations that is concerned with international public health .

www.modernghana.com

Maybe the new Conservative government should have a hard look at the WHO also. And while we looking for other expensive stuff to save money on the Paris Climate Agreement could use a magnifying glass also.

If for no other reason than we can't afford any offshore expenses until we pull ourselves out of the hole trudeau has dug for us.

 

[OldSolduer]

Perhaps soros and gates will pick up the slack.

Why The World Health Organization Treats Bill Gates Like A President

The World Health Organization (WHO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations that is concerned with international public health .

www.modernghana.com

Maybe the new Conservative government should have a hard look at the WHO also. And while we looking for other expensive stuff to save money on the Paris Climate Agreement could use a magnifying glass also.

If for no other reason than we can't afford any offshore expenses until we pull ourselves out of the hole trudeau has dug for us.

If Bill Gates is so popular he can fund it.

Oh but he gave half his money to his ex when they divorced.....I am still curious about that.

 

[Good2Golf]

Some thoughts about how Canada can/should move forward, instead of pretending that Trump’s words and actions are a huge surprise that no one could have predicted, and for which no preparatory actions could have been taken…

Special Dispatch: Here comes the chaos

Who's jazzed for the next four (+) years!?

www.readtheline.ca

 

[Kirkhill]

What does Trump want?

Secretary of State Mario Rubio's directive to State Department diplomats.

Sweeping changes are coming to a department that had mistakenly emphasized “ideology over common sense” and “misread the world.”

The lengthy cable was sent shortly after Rubio arrived at his new post in Foggy Bottom and was obtained exclusively by RealClearPolitics. It signals a fundamental shift in foreign policy and a realignment of all diplomatic efforts toward putting American needs first.

Toward this end, President Trump’s new diplomat promised to focus on mass migration, terminate DEI policies within the department, end the “censorship of the American people,” and pursue “energy dominance.”

“Every dollar we spend, every program we fund, and every policy we pursue must be justified with the answer to three simple questions,” Rubio wrote. The questions: Does the action make America safer, stronger, and more prosperous?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2025/01/21/rubio_outlines_sweeping_change_cable_us_diplomats_worldwide_152229.html

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Alberta's oil sands has the fourth-largest proven oil reserves in the world, after Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

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Does Trump want Canada inside his tent or outside selling to China?

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We have what he wants. And he wants to pay as little as possible.