CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[brihard]

Hitting liquor products is fly-swatting. If the liquor producers can easily find alternate markets, there isn't going to be any resulting political pressure that matters. Liquor producers aren't committed to expensive infrastructure. All they need is willing buyers and some sea-cans. This is a seen-to-be-doing-something, meat-for-the-masses ("we're hitting Red States!") futile gesture dreamed up by people with small imaginations and no strategic economic acumen.

Then you’ll be happy to know that tariffs on liquor will be but a fraction of a percent of the total tariff package. Maybe a market of 41 people with some of the cheapest shipping costs due to our shared transportation infrastructure won’t sting whatsoever. Maybe it will a bit, and will be a contributor to the much greater overall whole.

Given Trump’s seemingly imminent global application of tariffs, those alternate demand markets may not be there to the degree you think they will- and you can bet other non-US producers will be keen to supply the unfilled demand and to develop new and potentially enduring customer relationships. There’s a lot of room for us to cooperate with other countries subjected to the belligerent tariffs for an across the board strike at certain U.S. industries. Canada is in a position, as one of the first countries to announce a strong response, to play a part in establishing a trend of common practices.

Trump is starting a trade war without allies, and may find his economy arrayed against a coalition of the willing-to-buy-elsewhere. The U.S. exports over $2t a year; about 7.5% of its GDP. Canada on its own has limited leverage. The rest of the world together has considerably more. You can absolutely bet that US adversaries like China will encourage such reprisal as a strategic weakening of America’s diplomatic and economic partnerships, and Trump is going to play right into that hand.

 

[Furniture]

Hitting liquor products is fly-swatting. If the liquor producers can easily find alternate markets, there isn't going to be any resulting political pressure that matters. Liquor producers aren't committed to expensive infrastructure. All they need is willing buyers and some sea-cans. This is a seen-to-be-doing-something, meat-for-the-masses ("we're hitting Red States!") futile gesture dreamed up by people with small imaginations and no strategic economic acumen.

The LCBO is the largest liquor purchaser in the world. If the LCBO stops buying American products it will be noticed, and will create problems in America.

The average bourbon drinker drinks JD because it's cheap and available... How many years of JD being more expensive than 40 Creek does it take to shift consumer interest?

 

[PrairieFella]

Canada is putting up more of a fight against the US than it has China.

For one, even the Chinese aren't threatening to annex us.

 

[PrairieFella]

Some random thoughts;
Let’s make a few assumptions.

1. Canada will try to use diplomacy and targeted import tariffs to create US domestic pressure to lift the tariffs.
2.Canada won’t succeed in convincing the Trump administration to lift its tariffs.
3. The tariffs will continue as is for a minimum of four years

Given those assumptions what does Canada need to start doing now to ensure that the Canadian economy is best positioned to withstand and grow?

How do we best encourage businesses, that could relocate to avoid tariffs, to stay in Canada?

What does the Cdn federal government need to do fiscally to avoid an even larger deficit given a probable decrease in tax revenue in the next 1-4 years?

From what I'm reading the feelers have been out for a while for diversification. One of the oil rumours for example is the Germans looking to invest heavily in refining capacity here.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I wonder if this means some decent quality lumber might become available in Canada since we’ll be shipping less to the US.

 

[Cloud Cover]

For one, even the Chinese aren't threatening to annex us.

True, but they’ve managed to occupy dozens and dozens of entire suburban communities, which in turn has facilitated expansion of PLA holdings of enormous agricultural lands, mineral rights, a few northern airports, a couple of port adjacent commercial developments.

 

[Cloud Cover]

The LCBO is the largest liquor purchaser in the world. If the LCBO stops buying American products it will be noticed, and will create problems in America.

The average bourbon drinker drinks JD because it's cheap and available... How many years of JD being more expensive than 40 Creek does it take to shift consumer interest?

Time to stop drinking that unholy swill anyway.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I hate to ask this, but… should the P-8 and F-35 contracts be put on hold?

I actually think they are the best aircraft for the CF, but are they the best choice for Canada?

Exactly how secure is our ability to access things like AEGIS at this time?


On a more personal note, is looking at where something is made “patriotic” or “reactionary?”


Edited to add: Cancel Amazon Prime? Netflix? AppleTV? Why do I have all of those anyway?

Shop at Kent instead of Home Depot?

But the economies are so integrated would any of that make a difference anyway? Those integrated economies are why this will hurt the US as well… U would hate to be in the auto industry right now.

What's wrong with Kent ? Lol

I never knew I was sluming it with the drive in lumber yards lol.