CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[McG]

My post was not directed at the federal or provincial government, it was directed at your sniping at any discussion of a negotiated off ramp.

So because I don’t endorse Appeasement, you believe I support doing nothing? Are you now saying the choice is between appeasement or doing nothing, some how while also acknowledging the governments were taking actions that were neither nothing nor appeasement?

A 30 day reprieve just means he will be back next month to shake-down for more lunch money. So long as he wants to fawn over Anschluss, it is time for Canada to leave that abusive relationship.

 

[NearingZenith]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886529228193022429

It seems like Trudeau managed to get Trump to delay the tariffs without trade concessions unrelated to the Executive Order on Border Security, without resorting to some huge security theatre CAF deployment of thousands of troops, and without giving up our sovereignty. Give credit where credit is due, this is a good result.

If Trudeau had conceded too much now just to get a 30 day delay, we’d have no where to go when Trump comes back around in 30 days to ask for more.

 

[dapaterson]

So Trump is declaring victory based on regurgitating a previous announcement about $1.3B, creating another useless executive job in the PS, and creative math in counting border control personnel (most of which will be focused on Americans as the threat).

Dude is not the best and brightest.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Justin Trudeau
@JustinTrudeau

"I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.

In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.

Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together."

There, that wasn't hard was it.

Talk, talk always better than walk, walk.

 

[IKnowNothing]

So because I don’t endorse Appeasement, you believe I support doing nothing? Are you now saying the choice is between appeasement or doing nothing, some how while also acknowledging the governments were taking actions that were neither nothing nor appeasement?

A 30 day reprieve just means he will be back next month to shake-down for more lunch money. So long as he wants to fawn over Anschluss, it is time for Canada to leave that abusive relationship.

Posturing to best position us ourselves for an adversarial negotiation is just that- neither nothing nor appeasement. But in the context of actually finding a solution for the long term- said posturing and positioning without the negotiation becomes nothing.


That's easy to say when you and yours are looked after independent of the economy.

I fully agree with trying to reduce our economic dependence on the US . But thats a long term play. To follow your analogy- we need to buy some time and start squirelli g away money, finding someplace to go. Not escalate a shouting match into fistfight while the bastard is drunk are we're alone with him on an island

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So Trump is declaring victory based on regurgitating a previous announcement about $1.3B, creating another useless executive job in the PS, and creative math in counting border control personnel (most of which will be focused on Americans as the threat).

Dude is not the best and brightest.

Really? He got Canada, Mexico and Panama to cave.

 

[suffolkowner]

We told the kid throwing a tantrum that the Easter Bunny is real to get him to stop crying. Whats the next trick

 

[dapaterson]

Really? He got Canada, Mexico and Panama to cave.

How did we cave? Other than another useless public service position, what has changed?

 

[QV]

So Trump is declaring victory based on regurgitating a previous announcement about $1.3B, creating another useless executive job in the PS, and creative math in counting border control personnel (most of which will be focused on Americans as the threat).

Dude is not the best and brightest.

Well... that's one take I guess.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Justin Trudeau
@JustinTrudeau

"I just had a good call with President Trump. Canada is implementing our $1.3 billion border plan — reinforcing the border with new choppers, technology and personnel, enhanced coordination with our American partners, and increased resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. Nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border.

In addition, Canada is making new commitments to appoint a Fentanyl Czar, we will list cartels as terrorists, ensure 24/7 eyes on the border, launch a Canada- U.S. Joint Strike Force to combat organized crime, fentanyl and money laundering. I have also signed a new intelligence directive on organized crime and fentanyl and we will be backing it with $200 million.

Proposed tariffs will be paused for at least 30 days while we work together."

There, that wasn't hard was it.

Talk, talk always better than walk, walk.

So basically Trudeau and Team Red got schooled by the Mexicans on how to deal with Trump and Team.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

How did we cave? Other than another useless public service position, what has changed?

I guess all the things trudeau mentioned aren't real.

 

[Remius]

How did we cave? Other than another useless public service position, what has changed?

cartels as terrorists? Pretty sure it didn’t necessitate any of this. lol.

It’s possible the markets and push back spooked them.

 

[Remius]

I guess all the things trudeau mentioned aren't real.

They were almost all already being done

 

[Czech_pivo]

It seems like Trudeau managed to get Trump to delay the tariffs without trade concessions unrelated to the Executive Order on Border Security, without resorting to some huge security theatre CAF deployment of thousands of troops, and without giving up our sovereignty. Give credit where credit is due, this is a good result.

If Trudeau had conceded too much now just to get a 30 day delay, we’d have no where to go when Trump comes back around in 30 days to ask for more.

We have zero knowledge of what else was agreed upon but delayed in being released at this time.

 

[brihard]

Lots to digest here. My hot take having just read this:

1. 10,000 ‘front line personnel’ for the border: who, doing what? How many will actually be new and how many are new over and above the prior $1.3b announcement and the resources that have already been shifted? Lots of lacking detail.

2. Joint organized crime/money laundering task force. Ok, cool. Who are we going to staff it with? Will there be any increase in available Human Resources over and above the exiting law enforcement/financial intelligence pool? Will there be new regulatory powers?

3. Listing the cartels as terrorist entities: the criteria for listing a terrorist group are specific and require an ideological/political component per the definitions of terrorism in the criminal code. Not sure how they’ll force that particular shaped peg in that particular shaped hole.

4. Basically all of this is coming down to a ton of further demand on federal policing priorities. Listing the cartels puts a huge additional burden on RCMP national security. Any resources shifted to the cartels will probably come at the expense of other major drug investigations including domestic fentanyl production. Is there a plan to somehow significantly bolster RCMP Human Resources? Or FINTRAC, or CBSA?

5. We need more courts and prosecutors. These are complex investigations. Courts are already tossing files.

I don’t know how they’re going to do the things they say they’re going to do. More thoughts once I really digest this.

 

[PuckChaser]

Hopefully this is the wake up call Canadians needed to stop letting special interests and lobbyists hamstring our economy. Unfortunately there will be a lot of handshakes and high fives and we'll likely continue towards being a postnational state instead of a sovereign nation.

- PC

Also, we've deleted some crude posts. If folks cannot follow the politics rules we'll just start applying strikes towards temporary forum bans.

- Milnet.ca Staff

 

[suffolkowner]

Lots to digest here. My hot take having just read this:

1. 10,000 ‘front line personnel’ for the border: who, doing what? How many will actually be new and how many are new over and above the prior $1.3b announcement and the resources that have already been shifted? Lots of lacking detail.

2. Joint organized crime/money laundering task force. Ok, cool. Who are we going to staff it with? Will there be any increase in available Human Resources over and above the exiting law enforcement/financial intelligence pool? Will there be new regulatory powers?

3. Listing the cartels as terrorist entities: the criteria for listing a terrorist group are specific and require an ideological/political component per the definitions of terrorism in the criminal code. Not sure how they’ll force that particular shaped peg in that particular shaped hole.

4. Basically all of this is coming down to a ton of further demand on federal policing priorities. Listing the cartels puts a huge additional burden on RCMP national security. Any resources shifted to the cartels will probably come at the expense of other major drug investigations including domestic fentanyl production. Is there a plan to somehow significantly bolster RCMP Human Resources? Or FINTRAC, or CBSA?

5. We need more courts and prosecutors. These are complex investigations. Courts are already tossing files.

I don’t know how they’re going to do the things they say they’re going to do. More thoughts once I really digest this.

who says we are going to do it lol?

Theres what 30000 RCMP and 17000 CBSA? How many of those can we say are "border"?

 

[QV]

who says we are going to do it lol?

Theres what 30000 RCMP and 17000 CBSA? How many of those can we say are "border"?

I suspect the "paused for 30 days" caveat means if the US doesn't see any action on the commitments means were back to square 1 and maybe worse. I also note during the pause there will be negotiations including economic topics. This isn't remotely over yet.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Premier Doug Ford has announced that Ontario will be blocking US companies out of bidding on provincial contracts, potentially a loss of $10b a year in business (something something trade balance). He’s also ‘ripping up’ Ontario’s $100m contract with Elon Musk’s Starlink to provide satellite internet to more remote parts of Ontario.

So we'll be paying $100m in cancelation fees and not get any internet?

 

[Cloud Cover]

Lots to digest here. My hot take having just read this:

1. 10,000 ‘front line personnel’ for the border: who, doing what? How many will actually be new and how many are new over and above the prior $1.3b announcement and the resources that have already been shifted? Lots of lacking detail.

2. Joint organized crime/money laundering task force. Ok, cool. Who are we going to staff it with? Will there be any increase in available Human Resources over and above the exiting law enforcement/financial intelligence pool? Will there be new regulatory powers?

3. Listing the cartels as terrorist entities: the criteria for listing a terrorist group are specific and require an ideological/political component per the definitions of terrorism in the criminal code. Not sure how they’ll force that particular shaped peg in that particular shaped hole.

4. Basically all of this is coming down to a ton of further demand on federal policing priorities. Listing the cartels puts a huge additional burden on RCMP national security. Any resources shifted to the cartels will probably come at the expense of other major drug investigations including domestic fentanyl production. Is there a plan to somehow significantly bolster RCMP Human Resources? Or FINTRAC, or CBSA?

5. We need more courts and prosecutors. These are complex investigations. Courts are already tossing files.

I don’t know how they’re going to do the things they say they’re going to do. More thoughts once I really digest this.

Parliament needs to sit and pass changes to terrorism legislation + funding.

For the money laundering but we’ll probably need a RICO type of legal regime to capture up and downstream bits.

Extraditions will become much more regular. Charter implications.

MLAT will need a serious overhaul to speed it up or perhaps replace it with something much more real time operationally focussed.

US drug laws are much more severe than Canadian. Likely need to be harmonized.

Wiretap and monitoring laws, regs, equipment, procedures all need to be standardized across borders. Charter again.

US DEA back in full swing. (Yay for me!)

Financial and property seizures, proceeds of crime etc all need to be updated.

Not going to happen in 30 days or even 6 months.

NDA will require a change to begin daily assistance to law enforcement and CBSA.