CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Fishbone Jones]

They were mates on Dragons Den.

Yup, and they cut each other's throats to get the deal they want, but have beers when the cameras are off. Being able to bargain hard yet leave the emotion out of it, posturing for tv aside, is a sign of a good businessman.

 

[McG]

Canada to write a cheque and get out of the way for a "joint" base at Nanasivik

Who is asking for this? On toxic spoils of the old mine?

 

[brihard]

Something to remember, as a Trump trots out this that and the other thing in the eleventh hour before tariffs hit:

Legally. Trump’s tariffs are enacted under specific law, and are explicitly tied in his Executive Order directly and only to his claims about the actions of drug trafficking organizations at the border. Absent this declared emergency he does not have legal authority for arbitrarily doing what he did.

His actual executive order establishing the reasons for the tariffs and their extent can be read here: Read the full text of Trump's executive order imposing tariffs on Canada

Any claims or demands he makes outside of the strict scope of the articulated drug trafficking emergency are just him screwing around and abusing this executive power to try to leverage further gain. We know this and none of us are surprised by it, but just to clearly laid it out so we’re all on the same page.

 

[McG]

Let’s just relax the regulations that prevent banks exploiting customers and maybe he won’t Anschluss us.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886493556971593867

 

[brihard]

Could be a combination of "we'll fucking show him eh troops?" and "lets see how far this guy will bend - someone find me some COAs please"

The first is for public consumption and the second is far more reasonable.

Going after Starlink is a direct shot at applying pressure via Elon Musk. Same as the inclusion of electric vehicles in the first 25% round of tariffs.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Something to remember, as a Trump trots out this that and the other thing in the eleventh hour before tariffs hit:

Legally. Trump’s tariffs are enacted under specific law, and are explicitly tied in his Executive Order directly and only to his claims about the actions of drug trafficking organizations at the border. Absent this declared emergency he does not have legal authority for arbitrarily doing what he did.

His actual executive order establishing the reasons for the tariffs and their extent can be read here: Read the full text of Trump's executive order imposing tariffs on Canada

Any claims or demands he makes outside of the strict scope of the articulated drug trafficking emergency are just him screwing around and abusing this executive power to try to leverage further gain. We know this and none of us are surprised by it, but just to clearly laid it out so we’re all on the same page.

"Alex, I'll take 'What is smoke and mirrors' for 1000$"

 

[QV]

Something to remember, as a Trump trots out this that and the other thing in the eleventh hour before tariffs hit:

Legally. Trump’s tariffs are enacted under specific law, and are explicitly tied in his Executive Order directly and only to his claims about the actions of drug trafficking organizations at the border. Absent this declared emergency he does not have legal authority for arbitrarily doing what he did.

His actual executive order establishing the reasons for the tariffs and their extent can be read here: Read the full text of Trump's executive order imposing tariffs on Canada

Any claims or demands he makes outside of the strict scope of the articulated drug trafficking emergency are just him screwing around and abusing this executive power to try to leverage further gain. We know this and none of us are surprised by it, but just to clearly laid it out so we’re all on the same page.

Trump's rhetoric is laying the ground work for future pain should the issues outlined in the EO are not addressed. The Mexican blink is the example. As is Panama.

 

[The Bread Guy]

3) Having now flexed and gotten us to jump, DJT reveals specific the economic and geopolitical concessions he requires to forgo tariffs.

4) DJT moves the goalposts again outside the scope of the executive order, and keeps playing about.

Let’s just relax the regulations that prevent banks exploiting customers and maybe he won’t Anschluss us.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886493556971593867

Ouch - this from a (at least what used to be) rabidly anti-Trudeau/Team Red kinda guy. Interesting evolution ...

 

[IKnowNothing]

“I did ask him a couple of questions,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office. “Canada is very tough. Canada is very, you know, we’re not treated well by Canada. And we have to be treated well.”

This line brought to mind this quote that's been floating around the internet for years
" Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority”- and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person”


The words "well" and "fair" have an entirely different meaning to a man of Trumps ego, privilege, and complete lack of ethics.

4) DJT moves the goalposts again outside the scope of the executive order, and keeps playing about.

Same option, different words.

 

[McG]

Ouch - this from a (at least what used to be) rabidly anti-Trudeau/Team Red kinda guy. Interesting evolution ...

I am sure he still is. You don’t have to like Trudeau to know Anschluss is wrong.

 

[McG]

As the tariffs are obviously a tool on Trump’s annexation ambitions, maybe we should merge the tariffs thread into the annexation thread? U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886503212657861061

 

[brihard]

4) DJT moves the goalposts again outside the scope of the executive order, and keeps playing about.

Ouch - this from a (at least what used to be) rabidly anti-Trudeau/Team Red kinda guy. Interesting evolution ...

Wow, yeah. If Spencer Fernando is saying this one’s not on Trudeau, I’m not sure who else you could look to hear it from.

 

[lenaitch]

I didn't figure that - although on some socials, some people seem to think it's as "simple" as essentially doing that with CBSA

That's alright. Some premiers think local cops and conservation officers can do the same thing.

I seldom agree with you, but those are all good possibilities.

Supply management is definitely on the table. It should be eliminated. Anyone who dumps millions of gallons of milk and dairy products to maintain their profits needs to go out of business. Especially when Canadians need financial help to buy simple staple items, the marketing boards are destroying for profit.

If they want to end the supply management they had best figure out a way to unwind the associated debt or they will impoverish a lot of farms (in addition to Quebec going completely apoplectic). The article from the last free-trade go-round.

https://www.farmprogress.com/dairy-cattle/trudeau-has-billions-of-reasons-to-protect-dairy-quota-system

 

[Kilted]

Trump pauses tariffs on Mexico for 1 month after Sheinbaum agrees to send troops to border

President Trump announced he is pausing tariffs targeting imports from Mexico for a month after the country's president agreed to send 10,000 troops to the U.S.-Mexico border.

www.cbsnews.com

Mexico is sending 10,000 troops to the border to get out of the tariffs. We could probably do that if we really had to right? Maybe throw in some CIC Officers and Rangers, a couple people from the Sup Reserves.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Trump now has some movement from Mexico, Panama and Denmark/ Greenland, opening the way to future talks.

Mexican president says tariffs delayed after ‘good’ talk with Trump - National | Globalnews.ca

Mexican president Claudia Sheinbaum said she and U.S president Trump reached "a series of agreements" during their conversation.

globalnews.ca

Donald Trump's Panama threat starts paying off

The new U.S. president has frequently accused China of controlling key global trade route the Panama Canal.

www.newsweek.com

Denmark frantically messages Trump about security concessions on Greenland after he threatened to take it over: report

One European diplomat told Axios that Denmark was widely seen as America’s closest ally in the European Union, and that no one could have imagined it’d be the first Trump would pick a f…

nypost.com

The overtures may not be completely amicable, but they now have a start point for negotiation.

We'll see in an hour or two where Canada stands. Maybe a bit longer while trudeau tries to massage his message to Canadians

 

[Haggis]

That's alright. Some premiers think local cops and conservation officers can do the same thing.

I don't know where they get the authority under the Customs Act.

"officer means a person employed in the administration or enforcement of this Act, the Customs Tariff or the Special Import Measures Act and includes any member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police;"

 

[lenaitch]

Minor point but the capabilities are not the same. Xplore is run off of geostationary satellites currently, lag is a significant issue. The Telesat LEO Lightspeed network is not yet operational or built…

According to their website, Xplor is using the high-altitude Jupiter 3 satellite. I wonder how the latency is.

I live in a rural area of crappy Internet and wasn't aware of the governments Starlink assistance package (we are on Starlink - paid for by us). I assume that since you can get sat Internet pretty much anywhere you have sky - except really high latitudes - the government package was purely financial, unlike federal programs to providers to expand equipment.

I know a number of people who had Xplore (formerly Xplorenet) terrestrial services (microwave, fixed wireless, etc.) and know nobody who liked them.

Ontario Northland (owned by the Ontario government) uses Starlink for on-board services on their Cochrane to Moosonee pax train. I have an IT contact with them but am afraid to call him. If he found about this this morning, his day would have gone south fairly quickly.

I have heard that Rogers is partnering with Starlink on some kind of service as well.

 

[McG]

Apparently half our banks already are American. It’s just the ones that want to exploit you more than regulations allow that are not getting in the door.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886495037208309921

 

[Fishbone Jones]

That's alright. Some premiers think local cops and conservation officers can do the same thing.


If they want to end the supply management they had best figure out a way to unwind the associated debt or they will impoverish a lot of farms (in addition to Quebec going completely apoplectic). The article from the last free-trade go-round.

https://www.farmprogress.com/dairy-cattle/trudeau-has-billions-of-reasons-to-protect-dairy-quota-system

Honestly, we provide Quebec with more than enough cash than anyone else and lopsided in their favour. They can bail themselves out. I'm tired of Quebec driving the car.

Realistically, we'll pay for it.

How much did it cost us when we closed the Canadian Wheat Board? I don't hear western Canada screaming for their return.

 

[brihard]

I have heard that Rogers is partnering with Starlink on some kind of service as well.

There’s new risk in that. If tariffs are going to be leveraged at Canada as a weapon, there is both commercial and reputation at risk in tying oneself via business ventures to prominent figures within the U.S. oligarchy.