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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

The People’s Republic of China will try to do better next time…

And do what? Make her a professional Trade Minister? - you are such a jester!!!

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A lot to unpack in this one. Glad support for increased defence spending is up.
 

A lot to unpack in this one. Glad support for increased defence spending is up.
40 to 26 says Carney is better to deal with Trump than Poilievre. As I feared, people are viewing Carney as the grown-up “money guy” and either don’t know or don’t care that he’s got the former Trudeau crew working for him. Whenever I bring up his net zero stuff, people look at me like I’m saying aliens faked the moon landing.

The Tories are going to have to up their game. It was easy when their opponent was an incompetent man-child. But things have changed. Now people want a grown-up who can deal with Trump.
 
40 to 26 says Carney is better to deal with Trump than Poilievre. As I feared, people are viewing Carney as the grown-up “money guy” and either don’t know or don’t care that he’s got the former Trudeau crew working for him. Whenever I bring up his net zero stuff, people look at me like I’m saying aliens faked the moon landing.

The Tories are going to have to up their game. It was easy when their opponent was an incompetent man-child. But things have changed. Now people want a grown-up who can deal with Trump.
They had one and for reasons that surpasses my understanding of the world they dumped O'Toole and chose Poilieve.
 
40 to 26 says Carney is better to deal with Trump than Poilievre. As I feared, people are viewing Carney as the grown-up “money guy” and either don’t know or don’t care that he’s got the former Trudeau crew working for him. Whenever I bring up his net zero stuff, people look at me like I’m saying aliens faked the moon landing.

The Tories are going to have to up their game. It was easy when their opponent was an incompetent man-child. But things have changed. Now people want a grown-up who can deal with Trump.
That’s the challenge.

Andrew Coyne mentioned that the base is still solid. But for the rest PP is sounding like yesterday’s man.

Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau isn’t working any more. Neither is axe the tax.

PP gave a great speech on fentanyl but most Canadians aren’t buying that that is really what Trump is after.

As for Carney. The CPC are victims of their own PR campaign. They linked everything to Trudeau. Or Trudeau Singh. They are trying to pivot a bit but it’s not sticking. And a lot of that has to do with trump south of us.

PP has been making more legacy media appearances. Something he was avoiding. Hard to be in opposition during a crisis.
 
That’s the challenge.

Andrew Coyne mentioned that the base is still solid. But for the rest PP is sounding like yesterday’s man.

Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau isn’t working any more. Neither is axe the tax.

PP gave a great speech on fentanyl but most Canadians aren’t buying that that is really what Trump is after.

As for Carney. The CPC are victims of their own PR campaign. They linked everything to Trudeau. Or Trudeau Singh. They are trying to pivot a bit but it’s not sticking. And a lot of that has to do with trump south of us.

PP has been making more legacy media appearances. Something he was avoiding. Hard to be in opposition during a crisis.
Yep. How to deal with Trump’s threats of economic destruction is now the election question. And the money guy headed the Bank of Canada during the 2008 financial crisis that we actually fared well in compared to our peers. Doesn’t matter that I think he’s more of a smarter version of Trudeau. People are seeing a grown up who knows money.
 
They had one and for reasons that surpasses my understanding of the world they dumped O'Toole and chose Poilieve.
Yeah. Unfortunately between his waffling on the convoy and the machinations of the pro-PRC faction of the party, he was doomed.
 
The Tories are going to have to up their game. It was easy when their opponent was an incompetent man-child. But things have changed. Now people want a grown-up who can deal with Trump.

Regardless of one’s political preferences this is a ‘good problem’. Swapping from someone viewed as a ‘man child’ to someone viewed as a ‘grown up who can deal with Trump’ is an improvement.

There’s tons of room for more improvement obviously.
 
One thing to consider. Pierre Poilievre made an absolute fool out of Carney when Carney appeared at a parliamentary committee. Warren Kinsella (Chretein's campaign strategist) warned that during the LPC leadership race their would be a slight bump in the polls and the opposition parties would disappear from the radar for awhile.

Carney is still word salading and tossing around loosey goosey wishy washy ideas, and trust me most Canadians see right through it. Especially younger ones (like under 40). What do you think will happen when an actual election is called? Carney still wants a carbon tax (tax the industries and the consumer still pays). He has little to no mention of tapping into Canada resource sector and he is still on about "green energy". These things will kill Carney in an election.
 
Are you sure? I must of misunderstood it.
It’s literally in the post I quoted from @RangerRay in my reply. It’s not a point of view I’m adopting myself; I’m saying if that’s how one views the man, then dealing with a ‘grown up’ must necessarily be an improvement.
 
Regardless of one’s political preferences this is a ‘good problem’. Swapping from someone viewed as a ‘man child’ to someone viewed as a ‘grown up who can deal with Trump’ is an improvement.

There’s tons of room for more improvement obviously.
The exception to that is people that are fully captured by partisanship and can no longer see country before party-ie. Any benefit to the country that is brought by Carney replacing Trudeau is completely outweighed by him being a larger electoral threat to PP.
 
The exception to that is people that are fully captured by partisanship and can no longer see country before party. Any benefit to the country that is brought by Carney replacing Trudeau is completely outweighed by him being a larger electoral threat to PP.
Indeed.

In all circumstances and settings, in every way shape and form, I want every politician to suck less. Other suck less than the other guy, or suck less than they used to suck. Political leaders sucking less always advantages Canada. Anyone who doesn’t want a politician to suck less has ulterior motives that differ from the national interest.
 
They may pick Carney as a negotiator, but that doesn't necessarily transfer to who would be the best PM. Conservatives still maintain a healthy lead in overall polls.

While NANOS appears to be fairly even. One look at EKOS over the last while will show the disparity and fickleness of polls.

Another known fact is that most Conservatives don't answer polls.

It's really too soon to tell. Carney is just started his Coronation tour and people haven't really seen enough to get a handle on how elitist he is. Nobody has started to challenge his 3 Card Monte explanations and liberal bafflegab.

Until we're further along and he is rightfully in possession of the crown, I'm not going to worry. He still has plenty of time to be caught up in his lies and his bait and switch tactics.

Let's see how the SCC and the GG handle the prorogue situation when they get to it. Hopefully soon.

Carney is talking about abandoning the US and going to new markets. Well it's a hollow pledge. We need a whole lot of infrastructure built before we go looking for customers.

Meanwhile, as I'm posting this, the Japanese PM is sitting in the Oval Office. He also brought a huge delegation. I'll bet dollars to donuts that his Oil & Gas guys are sitting with Trumps guys and feeling each other out to negotiate for the LNG and other fossil fuel products that trudeau turned his back on. I fully expect Britain, Germany and others are on the docket. Agriculture, manufacturing and more are probably on the table also. Trump is already eating our lunch, before we even turn on our stove and start cooking.

Carney has zero intention of expanding our pipelines, ports and facilities to move product around the world. What he does have is Brookfield with massive green energy holdings in China. That is the (green) energy he wants to sell around the world.

And before anyone says he divested himself of Brookfield, I'll say sure. The same way Paul Martin Jr divested himself of CSL.

Lots of other stuff jumbled in with the original topic of who's best, but it serves to show that Canadians are still as fickle as ever whenever someone with new, shiny shoes shoes up.
 
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