CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Halifax Tar]

None of that justifies sabotaging (intentionally or not) your own side.

That's your opinion, I see it differently.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Welcome to modern Canadian politics . Where nothing outside your riding ,your province and or the Country could possibly be all that important.
Just ignore the world it will go away eventually.

This is what we have to work on if we make it through this.

Not only will our next PM be tasked with righting the economy they are going to have heal a fractured nation. Its a tall order.

 

[Remius]

That's your opinion, I see it differently.

It is.

 

[Kirkhill]

It doesn't have to be binary, though. And as you're seeing with some of the comments, to use a phrase sometimes used in the military, it's interesting to see her triage regarding loyalty up and loyalty down here. Can't blame her for pushing hard for her own team, but are there ways to do that without causing problems for the league?

Except that "her own team" publicly bandied the prospect of shutting down energy exports from her province. (Trudeau and Ford). And Trudeau already has form on wanting to shut down that industry. Trump could give Trudeau a great opening to do just that. Guilbeault would be very happy.

 

[Remius]

Except that "her own team" publicly bandied the prospect of shutting down energy exports from her province. (Trudeau and Ford). And Trudeau already has form on wanting to shut down that industry. Trump could give Trudeau a great opening to do just that. Guilbeault would be very happy.

Again they didn’t single out just Alberta now did they. They are wielding their cards and letting the US know what tools we have.

To quote Ford “when you play poker and you have aces you don’t tell your opponent what you have”. Even our other separatist premier gets it. Alberta’s should understand that as well.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Again they didn’t single out just Alberta now did they. They are wielding their cards and letting the US know what tools we have.

To quote Ford “when you play poker and you have aces you don’t tell your opponent what you have”. Even our other separatist premier gets it. Alberta’s should understand that as well.

The way I see it Ford and Feds seem to be playing poker with someone else's hand and buy in.

I wonder if Alberta was consulted before they, Ford and Feds, went and threatened their retaliations. I have to suspect this wasn't done, and Alberta was again ignored. Hence DS making the move(s) she did.

All speculation by me, but it seems plausible.

I can appreciate Ford and his leadership on this, but I get the feeling Alberta wants to be treated like an equal partner, not a pawn for someone else to move around a board.

 

[Brad Sallows]

So what are ON and QC proposing to give up that will cost them proportionately as much as cutting energy exports will affect AB? Is Ford going to renegotiate the Auto Pact to be less net favourable to ON/Canada (a perception which exists on both sides of the border)?

All I'm hearing so far still sounds mostly like "let's you (AB) and him (US) fight".

 

[The Bread Guy]

Except that "her own team" publicly bandied the prospect of shutting down energy exports from her province. (Trudeau and Ford).

Recall Ottawa saying energy’s on the table, and Ford saying electricity (also a type of energy) on the table, but don’t recall Ford throwing AB under the bus. I stand to be corrected, though.

And Trudeau already has form on wanting to shut down that industry. Trump could give Trudeau a great opening to do just that. Guilbeault would be very happy.

Trump would be happy to see the end of Canada’s oil industry? Interesting read…

 

[QV]

Alberta should tread carefully. It is surrounded by entities hostile to its industry. The unbecoming part is the hostility from within Canada from those importing regime oil or investing in foreign oil. Any wonder why the division grows? That seems like a losing game to continue playing…

 

[Remius]

Recall Ottawa saying energy’s on the table, and Ford saying electricity (also a type of energy) on the table, but don’t recall Ford throwing AB under the bus. I stand to be corrected, though.

No one has. But the butt hurt wexiters are hearing what they want to hear.

Trump would be happy to see the end of Canada’s oil industry? Interesting read…

Plenty of interest groups in the US would. Remember who cancelled that pipeline. It wasn’t Canada.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Recall Ottawa saying energy’s on the table, and Ford saying electricity (also a type of energy) on the table, but don’t recall Ford throwing AB under the bus. I stand to be corrected, though.

Trump would be happy to see the end of Canada’s oil industry? Interesting read…

Interesting articles for you.

US tariffs on Canada likely, oil cut-off not: Alberta | Latest Market News

Tariffs threatened by the US against Canada will become a reality, according to the premier of oil-rich Alberta , but any retaliation will not entail cutting off energy exports.

www.argusmedia.com

Oilpatch wary as Ottawa, provinces threaten energy exports in retaliation over Trump tariffs

Donald Trump's claim that he will slap a 25 per cent tariff on all imported Canadian goods sent a jolt through the energy sector. Read more

financialpost.com

Oil Embargo on the U.S. Could Blow Up in Canada's Face | OilPrice.com

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith opposes federal threats to impose an oil embargo on the U.S.

oilprice.com

Any talk of turning off energy exports needs to be defined. If it is not inclusive of Alberta oil and is only electricity that needs to be expressly said. And I have take from the reaction of Ford and the Feds to DS moves this week it was on the table. Again only my suspicions.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Someone needs to tell all the Premiers to shut up and stay in their lanes. International affairs is a Federal matter, no Premier should be going to another country and trying to negotiate.

 

[Kirkhill]

Recall Ottawa saying energy’s on the table, and Ford saying electricity (also a type of energy) on the table, but don’t recall Ford throwing AB under the bus. I stand to be corrected, though.

That was certainly the inference drawn out here.

Trump would be happy to see the end of Canada’s oil industry? Interesting read…

Trump may not be happy to see that but there are plenty that would take advantage of the opportunity if it presented itself.

There is always a lot of chaotic toing and froing in negotiations with nothing being clear until papers signed and you have a year or two to understand the effects of the agreements.

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I'm inclined to suck back and reload on this one. Let's watch for a while.

 

[Kirkhill]

Someone needs to tell all the Premiers to shut up and stay in their lanes. International affairs is a Federal matter, no Premier should be going to another country and trying to negotiate.

We don't have a Federal government, certainly not one that the Premiers trust. Strangely, in 1867, the Premiers signed on to this Confederation thing on the grounds that they were hiring a Federal government to manage these exact negotiations - inter-provincial disputes, international negotiations and national defence/security.

A hundred a some years later we have a Federal government focused on handing out baby bonuses, threatening provincial interests and clueless about how to negotiate with other countries.

 

[Remius]

We don't have a Federal government, certainly not one that the Premiers trust. Strangely, in 1867, the Premiers signed on to this Confederation thing on the grounds that they were hiring a Federal government to manage these exact negotiations - inter-provincial disputes, international negotiations and national defence/security.

A hundred a some years later we have a Federal government focused on handing out baby bonuses, threatening provincial interests and clueless about how to negotiate with other countries.

The PM and premiers are giving a press conference right now. First time they all look or at least sound united.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Interesting articles for you.

US tariffs on Canada likely, oil cut-off not: Alberta | Latest Market News

Tariffs threatened by the US against Canada will become a reality, according to the premier of oil-rich Alberta , but any retaliation will not entail cutting off energy exports.

www.argusmedia.com

Oilpatch wary as Ottawa, provinces threaten energy exports in retaliation over Trump tariffs

Donald Trump's claim that he will slap a 25 per cent tariff on all imported Canadian goods sent a jolt through the energy sector. Read more

financialpost.com

Oil Embargo on the U.S. Could Blow Up in Canada's Face | OilPrice.com

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith opposes federal threats to impose an oil embargo on the U.S.

oilprice.com

Any talk of turning off energy exports needs to be defined. If it is not inclusive of Alberta oil and is only electricity that needs to be expressly said. And I have take from the reaction of Ford and the Feds to DS moves this week it was on the table. Again only my suspicions.

Thanks for these - always happy to get more detail.

 

[Remius]

The PM and premiers are giving a press conference right now. First time they all look or at least sound united.

Just a quick edit. Daniel Smith is absent from the joint press conference. So maybe not so united. We’ll see what she says.

 

[The Bread Guy]

If you think we have a crushing deficit now, just wait until the next government has to roll out CERB 2025/26 to deal with the economic impact of these tariffs. Because it worked so well the last time.

While we wait for more on the meeting between the Premiers & PMJT, just spotted this on your point (highlights mine) - way to jinx it by typing it out loud, BTW

Bailout plan in response to Trump tariffs on the agenda for premiers’ meeting with Trudeau

The premiers are meeting with PM in Ottawa Wednesday to hash out what the country will do to counter Trump’s promise to levy tariffs

www.theglobeandmail.com

Also archived here if link doesn't work. From the article ....
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[Brad Sallows]

no Premier should be going to another country and trying to negotiate.

Sure they should. The federal governing party has decided its first order of business is to take a time out and work on minimizing the likely damage to its electoral fortunes in the next election. Trudeau could have flat-out resigned so that a PM could be chosen in the House at any time in the preceding months, but he didn't. Any provinces bearing unfair shares of whatever measures result should drop out of whatever was agreed; everyone should understand up front that this is the way it is, and declare it openly to Canadians.

Everyone has had a couple of months to lay down some plans (not aspirational talking points). I've concluded pretty much all the political leaders and senior staff just kept pushing it off in the hopes it wouldn't really happen. (It still hasn't really happened.) So where are we?

"We have to stick together."

Translation: the majority among us who are planning to protect our interests by selling out the minority among us want to browbeat those poor bastards into agreeing in advance to abide by whatever shitty provisions we cook up. Sticking together is predicated on everyone being treated fairly. We've been hearing this line for months, and it's past time to reveal details of what is to be "stuck to".

"I'm going to fight for Canada."

Translation: I'm going to use this opportunity to boost my political profile by putting on the Captain Canada suit and talking tough. For the Liberals who might otherwise launch no-hope leadership bids (as always happens during a leadership race), this is more attractive than a quixotic run at being not even the leader of the Opposition; they just have to keep not doing whatever it is they haven't been doing for the past few months while they should have been preparing.

 

[Kirkhill]

Varcoe: 'Just plain dumb' — Experts warn Canada against using energy as weapon in tariff dispute

Canada would be playing a risky game if it imposes export taxes or restricts energy to the U.S. as part of a trade dispute, experts say.

calgaryherald.com