CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[dapaterson]

‘Nothing’ Canada can do to prevent tariffs, says Trump

U.S. President Donald Trump said there is 'nothing' Canada can do to prevent the punishing tariffs expected to be unleashed tomorrow.

www.ctvnews.ca

Oh look, Trump himself says there is nothing that can be done to stop tariffs.

It makes no difference what we do. We are not dealing with a stable ally.

So... Add export taxes on top of the US tariffs on energy exports to create even more pressure on US consumers while also generating tax revenues.

Then start a PR campaign blaming all the cost spike on Trump's tariffs.

 

[Kirkhill]

And so it begins. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Carney says he'll dump consumer carbon tax, charge 'carbon border adjustment' tariffs on imports

Liberal leadership candidate Mark Carney added his name to the list of Liberals promising to scrap the Trudeau government’s consumer carbon tax.

nationalpost.com

Liberal leadership candidate Mark Carney said he will scrap the “divisive” consumer carbon tax, instead proposing an elaborate plan that includes tariffs on certain items from countries without carbon taxes, making heavy Canadian industrial emitters pay more and offering consumer incentives for purchasing “eco-responsible” items.

The return of the tariff economy - carbonmail.

To be honest I actually prefer that solution over the carbon sales tax. But that's just me.

 

[Remius]

I agree with you when you take Trump at his word and say there will be tariffs. There is a solid paper trail among his advisors that give credence to his publicly voiced intentions.

What we can do is negotiate how much and what he will accept in mitigation.

Stable? I'd say unpredictable. I think he thinks that is a feature and not a bug.
Ally? Sometimes we have chosen some unique means of demonstrating our affections. Regardless of the government of the day.

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I like Canada even though it doesn't look much like the place I came to in 1966.

Maybe you missed it. There is no négociations. It has been tried now for months.

His latest presser on this just revealed what this is really about. He doesn’t give a single eff about our border or spending or trade deficit etc. The goal posts keep moving because he had to have a bogey man.

It’s about generating revenue. Plain and simple.

 

[Remius]

So... Add export taxes on top of the US tariffs on energy exports to create even more pressure on US consumers while also generating tax revenues.

Then start a PR campaign blaming all the cost spike on Trump's tariffs.

Careful. Alberta will have a tantrum over that…

 

[dapaterson]

Careful. Alberta will have a tantrum over that…

Alberta will have a tantrum if the sun has the audacity to rise in the East.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Alberta will have a tantrum if the sun has the audacity to rise in the East.

Well no, but they’ll be very upset if the East taxes sunrise and gives all the revenue to Quebec.

 

[Fabius]

It’s never too late for Canada and Canadians too start focusing on their own national interests and too undertake things that they fully control.

Canada can scrap the planned carbon tax increases that are still scheduled.

Canada can immediately start disassembling interprovincial trade barriers.

Canada can start development of O&G export routes to the coasts.

Canada can make itself more attractive to foreign investment.

Canada can spend more on defence.

Canada can take national security more seriously.

No matter how much Canadians dislike Trump, Canada can’t make him do anything.

We can either spend our efforts fighting the US in a trade war, where is winning is us remaining as vulnerable as before or we spend our efforts building our own internal strength and building our global capacity.

I expect we will expend our efforts fighting the US while ignoring any attempts to make our selves more resilient and diversified.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Columbia isn't their biggest trading partner with a giant shared border, so I don't think this will go down the same way. Will be shitty though.

I’m waiting to hear some real scary news - like 10th Mountain in Fort Drum is being put on standby

 

[daftandbarmy]

So... Add export taxes on top of the US tariffs on energy exports to create even more pressure on US consumers while also generating tax revenues.

Then start a PR campaign blaming all the cost spike on Trump's tariffs.

Or invite Russia et al to a meeting about artic security without inviting Uncle Sam

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Maybe you missed it. There is no négociations. It has been tried now for months.

His latest presser on this just revealed what this is really about. He doesn’t give a single eff about our border or spending or trade deficit etc. The goal posts keep moving because he had to have a bogey man.

It’s about generating revenue. Plain and simple.

Negotiations have been tried for months?

Trump was inaugurated 11 days ago.

Could you clarify your statement please?

 

[daftandbarmy]

I’m waiting to hear some real scary news - like 10th Mountain in Fort Drum is being put on standby

You mean they might actually move to the mountains?

 

[brihard]

Negotiations have been tried for months?

Trump was inaugurated 11 days ago.

Could you clarify your statement please?

Trump’s been happy to take credit for things that happened before his inauguration. Let’s not pretend for a second that he and his inner circle haven’t been in play since at least the election.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It’s never too late for Canada and Canadians too start focusing on their own national interests and too undertake things that they fully control.

Canada can scrap the planned carbon tax increases that are still scheduled.

Canada can immediately start disassembling interprovincial trade barriers.

Canada can start development of O&G export routes to the coasts.

Canada can make itself more attractive to foreign investment.

Canada can spend more on defence.

Canada can take national security more seriously.

No matter how much Canadians dislike Trump, Canada can’t make him do anything.

We can either spend our efforts fighting the US in a trade war, where is winning is us remaining as vulnerable as before or we spend our efforts building our own internal strength and building our global capacity.

I expect we will expend our efforts fighting the US while ignoring any attempts to make our selves more resilient and diversified.

Only under a Conservative majority. PP has most of these in his policy.

None of these things will happen under the liberals. Ever.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Trump’s been happy to take credit for things that happened before his inauguration. Let’s not pretend for a second that he and his inner circle haven’t been in play since at least the election.

Floating ideas, claiming responsibility, laying groundwork. These are not negotiations. The only prelude to negotiations has been Daniel Smith and Joly in her riding outfit. Trudeau hasn't even tried to talk to him. Instead he's ramping up the rhetoric and making things worse.

 

[Kirkhill]

Trump threatens trade war with EU

President hits China, Canada and Mexico with tariffs – and says Europe will be next

www.telegraph.co.uk

One way the temperature of these discussions could be lowered is by removing the word "war" from the vocabulary. Along with "existential" and "devastating".

We are not looking at a short, sharp shock here. We are looking at a change of course.

 

[Kirkhill]

Justin Trudeau, the Canadian prime minister, pledged a “forceful” and “immediate” retaliation to the tariffs. Ms Leavitt said Mr Trudeau “would be wise to talk to President Trump directly before pushing outlandish comments like that to the media”.

From the Telegraph article above. Ms Leavitt is the new White House press secretary.

 

[OldSolduer]

From the Telegraph article above. Ms Leavitt is the new White House press secretary.

I watched her just a few minutes ago.

 

[Kirkhill]

Meanwhile - civilized negotiation between comrades

Give us youth movement and fishing rights or we will block defence deal, EU to tell Starmer

Brussels will insist on ‘parallelism’, where nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, in PM’s reset talks

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[JLB50]

I find those messages, bumper stickers etc particularly repugnant and low class. I might think that of both of them, and I may have said those lines, but I now refrain from doing so. Its adding to the problem and promoting "yer fer is er agin us" attitudes.

Actually, I find them repugnant as well. My comment was intended more to point out the differences between those who are anti-Trudeau and make it known to all compared to those who are anti-Trump and are more restrained. I would, however, like to see large peaceful demonstrations in all major cities showing solidarity with our government’s efforts to deal with his tactics.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

From the Telegraph article above. Ms Leavitt is the new White House press secretary.

And she's absolutely right.

Unless it's trudeau's intent to create a national emergency. He's proven time and again over 10 years, he could care less about the poverty, strife and hardships he places on Canadians. Canadians are simple cannon fodder to his goals.