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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

MAGA (however people choose to define it) isn't conservativism. I again remind readers that Trump spent most of his life leaning Democratic, and when he ran in the primaries in 2016 many conservatives questioned his suitability on the basis of that. His signature aims right now are squarely in Democratic traditions. What "conservativism" is doesn't change because someone tries to misappropriate the definition.
That's funny because (classic) liberalism is actually modern conservatism. So yes, words change their definitions along with people. Especially political philosophies as they evolve over time.
 
That's funny because (classic) liberalism is actually modern conservatism. So yes, words change their definitions along with people. Especially political philosophies as they evolve over time.
Hence “Trumpism” being an actual thing.
 
Trumpism will persist beyond him.
It will, but the GOP has no plan for when his threats and scare tactics are gone. There is going to be a huge internal fight when that happens as no one can repeat what he's done.

All those scared Congressmen and Senators will be able to speak their mind with no organized threat to them. His personality cult will only have so much sway after he leaves office.
 
That's funny because (classic) liberalism is actually modern conservatism. So yes, words change their definitions along with people. Especially political philosophies as they evolve over time.
Is that like, 'Yesterday's Communist is today's Capitalist' and 'Yesterday's Fascist is today's Republican'?
 
It will, but the GOP has no plan for when his threats and scare tactics are gone. There is going to be a huge internal fight when that happens as no one can repeat what he's done.

All those scared Congressmen and Senators will be able to speak their mind with no organized threat to them. His personality cult will only have so much sway after he leaves office.
Why? The oligarchy will still be there paying for campaigns both for and against.
 
So am I to understand that nothing on either side has changed other than that auto related goods are exempt from US tariffs but all the rest is still in place?

This still means that Ontario can slap a 25% export tax on all nickel heading to the US and still shut down the US auto factories.
 
His irrationality is not what will persist. You missed the point.

Trumpism will persist beyond him.
Unlikely. As soon as one major characteristic - say, trade protectionism as arbitrary leverage for foreign policy - is dropped, it ceases to be Trumpism. Trump's irrationality is the entire point - without Trump, and without Trump's manifestly absurd policies, whatever succeeds him is overwhelmingly likely to just be garden-variety conservativism with a populist flavour.
 
I agree - but going ahead and adding something of substance to the border 'issue' for the mere optics of doing it, to highlight to those of any intelligence in the US, 'See, no matter what we do, Trump is going to say its not enough'. And we then go the route of the World Trade Organization, which we did either today or yesterday, and file a formal compliant. Will it amount to anything, maybe yes or maybe no, but we do it by the book. Which again will highlight to anyone in the US with intelligence that Trump is an idoit.
Reminds me of that line by H.L.Mencken, something to the effect of “No promoter ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” Actually, I may credit Trump with more intelligence than you give him. He is seriously disturbed and a danger to the public but not an idiot.
 
That's funny because (classic) liberalism is actually modern conservatism. So yes, words change their definitions along with people. Especially political philosophies as they evolve over time.
Certainly. But customary usage can freeze a definition as well as alter it. It's helpful to not have to agree on new definitions every few years, so it's worthwhile rejecting attempts to change them. This is particularly so when the effort is rather transparently an attempt to pollute a term - make it pejorative - by attaching novel and undesirable characteristics to it.
 
His address last night all but admitted that his "emergency" rationale for imposing tariffs was not legit.

Looking forward to legal challenges.
If the desire is to push us back to renegotiate a comprehensive trade agreement, maybe showing us the current one isn’t worth the paper it’s written on isn’t the way to go about it. Refusal to honour their own agreements is damaging to America’s reputation as a reliable trade partner.
 
The best time to plant a tree was ten years ago. The second best time is right now. We have an opportunity to begin a series of national mega-projects, never again will Canada be so united and craving economic nationalism. Strike while the iron is hot so to speak.
Agree, but they're not going to be paid for by the billions and billions we get as tariff income.
 
This is a legitimate question.

My counter. What can we do today?

A proposal.

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Sitrep - a functional rail line exists to a functional port

Oil is being shipped to Churchill Marine Oil Terminal by rail and is being distributed to the north by water.


Zinc concentrate (bulk ore) was shipped from Churchill in August 2024. So the wharfage is functional.





The article actually gives a comprehensive sit rep currently.

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With a working railway and a working wharf then we could start shipping oil from Churchill tomorrow.

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We could also be shipping Compressed Natural Gas until we can get a Liquefied Natural Gas facility up and running.




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The Iso-Tank in the bottom right hand corner is particularly interesting as that could be loaded on a train, railroaded to Churchill then it could be evacuated into CNG tanker or loaded onto a container vessel.

All of this until we could convince someone to tie up a floating LNG facility at the dock.

In the meantime we could start chartering Baltic Sea tankers. And possibly shipping in bulk.


I agree that it is a foundation to start from, but:

- the rebuilding of the rail line is a multi-year project. I don't know what weight capacity they are rebuilding the line to. A unit train of heavy crude is, well, heavy. Building a roadbed on muskeg is tricky, especially if you want to transport dangerous goods.

- according to this, the tank farm is being, or has been, de-commissoned.


- it appears from this that the current 'farm' is quite small.


- there are currently no natural gas transfer facilities, liquified or otherwise, at the port.

All a good start, but I continue to argue that we can't do any of the good revenue-generating-bypass-US-markets-diversify-our-economy stuff tomorrow.
 
Suddenly a wild Jason Kenny out of his winter hibernation

He’s been posting a lot these past few days. I think he’s trying to get his name back out there. Given the possibility (certainly not probability) that LPC could eke out another win, he may want to be on people’s minds in the event the CPC runs a leadership process.
 
Long time creeper on this site, which i love by the way...my 2 cents:

Trump has effectively manipulated the stock market with his BS tariffs, twice now..
Him and all his family and friends made some big bank over the last 2 days...that is 💯 his agenda not trade imballance / fentinal, border crap, that is just the excuse to act on these tariffs, breaking the trade agreements he negotiated during his first term....meanwhile everyone gets Fu**ed except the 1 %...my 2 cents....
 
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