CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Genetk44]

We turn the power,oil and potash off just means we have handed Trump exactly what he wants, the justification to do anything he wants including using force

 

[lenaitch]

We turn the power,oil and potash off just means we have handed Trump exactly what he wants, the justification to do anything he wants including using force

I agree. Let's buy and sell as much stuff as we can from and to everybody else on the planet.

For those tariffs that violate existing trade agreements, tie them up in whatever dispute mechanism there is.

 

[Altair]

We turn the power,oil and potash off just means we have handed Trump exactly what he wants, the justification to do anything he wants including using force

Turn off...no.

Export tariffs.

 

[Good2Golf]

We turn the power,oil and potash off just means we have handed Trump exactly what he wants, the justification to do anything he wants including using force

No, not that…

Turn off...no.

Export tariffs.

This.

 

[Altair]

If Carney really wanted to turn the screws to the Yanks, just put in export tariffs tomorrow. On just oil.

The USA needs every drop of oil right now with them drawing from the SPR, if Canadian oil had a export tariff (paid by the importer, so one case where foriegners actually pay the tariff) the yanks have two choices.

1. Import less Canadian oil, drawing down the SPR even faster, pretty much Canada teaming up with the Iranians to pressure the USA

2. Pay the costs, driving up prices in the USA even more.

Granted, the wrath would be epic. So would the fury.

 

[MilEME09]

If Carney really wanted to turn the screws to the Yanks, just put in export tariffs tomorrow. On just oil.

The USA needs every drop of oil right now with them drawing from the SPR, if Canadian oil had a export tariff (paid by the importer, so one case where foriegners actually pay the tariff) the yanks have two choices.

1. Import less Canadian oil, drawing down the SPR even faster, pretty much Canada teaming up with the Iranians to pressure the USA

2. Pay the costs, driving up prices in the USA even more.

Granted, the wrath would be epic. So would the fury.

Not even oil, potash, fall planting season is around the corner. Watch red state farmers go bankrupt when fertilizer goes up 200%

 

[Altair]

Not even oil, potash, fall planting season is around the corner. Watch red state farmers go bankrupt when fertilizer goes up 200%

Follow it up with ads played in the USA of trump going on and on about how they don't need anything from Canada.

 

[RangerRay]

100%, we have given half a dozen or more concessions now, appeasement aint a viable tactic.

I wouldn’t cry if he gave up dairy supply management as a “concession”…

 

[PrairieFella]

So now that the White House has announced they feel they can shake us down and ignore CUSMA with this list of goods we can all agree future agreements with the Yanks really arent worth the paper theyre written on, right? Perfidious. Dishonourable.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Reposting this - minus the comment about the leader of the country immediately south of us.

White House teases new trade action 'soon' as it works to re-create global tariff regime

U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer telegraphed that the Trump administration could impose new tariffs just as other duties are set to expire.

www.cnbc.com

 

[brihard]

So now that the White House has announced they feel they can shake us down and ignore CUSMA with this list of goods we can all agree future agreements with the Yanks really arent worth the paper theyre written on, right? Perfidious. Dishonourable.

And yet the comment sections remain full of quislings who think we can and should bend the knee to achieve a ‘deal’.

The only good deal we’ll get is the one we already have. Anything else is just Trump trying to coerce us to make unilateral concessions so we consent to him reneging on some provision or another.

 

[dapaterson]

Interesting estimated breakdown of the impacts of the new tariffs, by province:

https://bsky.app/profile/trevortombe.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3mr6lkkdiik2t

 

[MilEME09]

So now that the White House has announced they feel they can shake us down and ignore CUSMA with this list of goods we can all agree future agreements with the Yanks really arent worth the paper theyre written on, right? Perfidious. Dishonourable.

Time to put in a penalty clause that breaking the agreement will cause monetary penalties of X millions per day on the offending party

 

[Good2Golf]

If Carney really wanted to turn the screws to the Yanks, just put in export tariffs tomorrow. On just oil.

Announce an “intent” to come into effect in 31 days, dependent on the U.S. tariffs being implemented or not.

 

[GR66]

If Carney really wanted to turn the screws to the Yanks, just put in export tariffs tomorrow. On just oil.

The USA needs every drop of oil right now with them drawing from the SPR, if Canadian oil had a export tariff (paid by the importer, so one case where foriegners actually pay the tariff) the yanks have two choices.

1. Import less Canadian oil, drawing down the SPR even faster, pretty much Canada teaming up with the Iranians to pressure the USA

2. Pay the costs, driving up prices in the USA even more.

Granted, the wrath would be epic. So would the fury.

The problem is that while Canada might be a net exporter of oil and other fuel products to the United States, the nature of the distribution networks means that much of Eastern Canada is dependent on pipelines coming from US refineries...not product from the rest of Canada.

Turn of the oil taps to the US and they turn off the gasoline taps to Ontario. What happens when the manufacturing center of the country runs out of fuel to ship products to the rest of Canada (and the rest of the World)?

All the more reason to build more pipelines from the West to the East as well as the Pacific. And we need in vastly increase our domestic refining capacity as well if we don't want to continue to be vulnerable.

 

[McG]

One Conservative’s take:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2079621541067907208

 

[Altair]

Announce an “intent” to come into effect in 31 days, dependent on the U.S. tariffs being implemented or not.

war might be in another ceasefire by then.

 

[MilEME09]

So the text is out, and frankly even the wording is confusing.

Nothing in this Agreement in Principle shall be interpreted as amending, modifying or superseding the 2012 Canada–Michigan Crossing Agreement or the ownership, governance and financial framework established thereunder.

So basically this is an unsatisfied nothing burger?

Proposed Agreement in Principle | Gordie Howe International Bridge

Proposed Agreement in Principle Canada and the United States have reached agreement in principle

gordiehoweinternationalbridge.com

 

[tomydoom]

So the text is out, and frankly even the wording is confusing.



So basically this is an unsatisfied nothing burger?

Proposed Agreement in Principle | Gordie Howe International Bridge

Proposed Agreement in Principle Canada and the United States have reached agreement in principle

gordiehoweinternationalbridge.com

I hope that meeting the bridge authorities debt obligations are included under “operating costs”. Any reasonable interpretation of normal business practices would say it does, but we all know how DJT feels about repaying his creditors.

 

[MilEME09]

I hope that meeting the bridge authorities debt obligations are included under “operating costs”. Any reasonable interpretation of normal business practices would say it does, but we all know how DJT feels about repaying his creditors.

Well lets just drag this out then until this dies on the order table. Tariff us? Fine we wont ratify the agreement