CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[brihard]

On a more serious note though, the key dropout that I've taken away from events of the past few days was something J.D. Vance said:

"And the whole point of this is to change Canada's behaviour"

Vance weighs in on Jivani trade advocacy and how Carney tried to 'out-tough' Trump

WASHINGTON — U.S. Vice-President JD Vance weighed in on the latest trade deal with Canada at a fundraising event Wednesday, saying Prime Minister Mark Carney tried to "out-tough" President Donald Trump while crediting his longtime friend Conservative MP Jamil Jivani as a helpful advocate for Canada.

montreal.citynews.ca

This entire spat is about Hegemony. The current U.S. administration and a substantial portion of the American population, don't like the direction Canada has taken. Everything from immigration, cozzying up to China, digital taxes, protectionism, lack of investment in defence and security, environmental policy differences, etc...

There is decades of material on this very site that warned that this would eventually come to pass if our trajectory didn't change. Well, that moment is finally here.

The only way you can shape and change behavior? Apply consequences.

Funnily enough, the Trump Administration's tariffs are being felt very unevenly across the Country:

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US Tariffs Impact on CDNEcon Exports | Trevor Tombe posted on the topic | LinkedIn

There's a lot of variation across #cdnecon in exposure to the new 50% U.S. tariffs (on August 19). Here's a preliminary estimate of the share of exports affected (based on HS6, so a slight over-estimate). BC/ON/QC most exposed. Others far less so. | 16 comments on LinkedIn

www.linkedin.com

It's almost like they are designed to attack the current Canadian Govt's support base and also separate the Provinces and create disunity. Will be interesting to watch with the Alberta referendum 60 days away:

The Canadian province set to vote on becoming a breakaway country

Alberta's separatist movement is exposing deep fractures inside one of the world's most stable federations and shares striking similarities with WA's historical secession attempts. An upcoming referendum will test its support.

www.abc.net.au

It's being talked about elsewhere, but not here

Absolutely a significant part of this is hegemony, although I also believe Trump actually is trade stupid and thinks general tariffs are sound economics versus free trade.

The U.S. is adopting a modernized Monroe Doctrine and asserting a hegemonic right to dominate the Americas. They still have a serious Manifest Destiny hangover. They can hardly hope to be taken seriously in this if they can’t break and dominate Canada. They’re increasingly tipping their hand that they don’t want us to have our own sovereign foreign and trade policy. Canadian sovereignty means little to them; our assertion of it is an impediment to their goals.

They are hypocrites in most of their criticisms of our domestic economic and trade policy, but that and a couple of bucks will buy you a coffee. They won’t be shamed or cajoled by their own hypocrisy, so it’s only a useful indicator of bad faith.

Trump has unleashed this but he is not the sole owner, else it probably would have bankrupted already. We need to be prepared for the very real possibility that this is America going forward.

 

[Good2Golf]

Agreed with much of what you said. I would add my own points
-We need an IMMEDIATE ACTION to what is happening (Now) "Save the what you can"
-We need an in depth, Government-Private collaborative LONG TERM economic strategy carefully planned out, and not simply cast aside for future politics
-Natural resources. We have to really stop messing around, put massive pressure on all parties involved and get the oil and gas (in ALL provinces, there is some in the East too), Mining going much faster (especially the ring of fire), forestry (lets get some trees chopped down rather than burning them), We can rock it as well in ag and seafood.
-With the above, get the pipelines east and west going post haste, no more dithering
-Diversify global markets (and that doesn't mean change the USA to China, otherwise we fuck ourselves all over again), this means as many nations as possible
-Do our damn best to create market demand for OUR products (and don't say "green or clean" anything, the global market doesn't give a shit)
-PM MC has good European connections, I hope he can exploit that WITHOUT us becoming part of the EU
-Hammer down on the provinces to stop tariffing each other (300% in some cases), ENOUGH or say hello to the 51st to the 58th states
-Reduce cost as much as possible for domestic businesses (and any nonsensical regulations)
-STOP protective measures here at home (jncluding supply management, telecomms, etc)
-We still trade with the USA but aim to lose the dependency on them

True economic sovereignty will take time.

I wouldn’t change a thing you’ve said here. “Pitter patter, get the F at ‘er!”

 

[MilEME09]

Additional demands are coming to light....100% non starter. 51st state indeed

https://twitter.com/x/status/2091319800496845066

 

[ArmyRick]

Additional demands are coming to light....100% non starter. 51st state indeed

https://twitter.com/x/status/2091319800496845066

Can you parlez vous anglais this?

 

[brihard]

Can you parlez vous anglais this?

I made a comment yesterday about what they could do to themselves with a sanding block.

Make sure it’s 40 grit.

 

[markppcli]

Where did I say anywhere that I am on Team America?

Well if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Also, applying consequences is the best way to shape behaviour. It makes people angry, they will yell and scream but they will do it while cursing you under their breath.

Independent decisions that go against their interests, yes. It's called realpolitik.

So you concur its immoral, but your in support of it?

It doesn't fill me with glee but I understand what their intentions are. I don't actually like many of our Current Govt's policies anyways so having an outside power shape our Govt towards a different direction is actually beneficial in some ways.

It improved the CAFs coffers for instance.

Again your in support of an attack on Canadian independance because you dont like the party in charge?

 

[Altair]

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I made a comment yesterday about what they could do to themselves with a sanding block.

Make sure it’s 40 grit.

And people wonder why I'm anti American.

 

[ArmyRick]

Well if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...



So you concur its immoral, but your in support of it?



Again your in support of an attack on Canadian independance because you dont like the party in charge?

I took his post to be more of a President Trump revealed our weakness and laid bare our unprotective side statement.

This is like sparring with a damn good partner and they humble you really good, letting you know what needs to get better.

 

[ArmyRick]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2091218798200107280

You know Carney is doing well when Brian Lilley, I repeat, Brian....Lilley....is standing with him.

Brian Lilley has praised him a few times and will not hesitate to criticize him. He does same for Avi Lewis and Pierre Poilievre.

His only real bias is favoritism towards Doug Ford and the fact his girlfriend is on his staff must have nothing to do with it.

 

[lenaitch]

I think village dairies can return in the right location and circumstances. Our village cheese shop closed a few years ago and has now reopened with all manner of dairy including milk. It’s all local. The supply is a pain but they manage as a specialty shop. It is the grocery store lobby and the dairy boards who killed off these little shops but they are indeed resurfacing. It’s possible to run them as a co-op which is all the more attractive. I believe the base business case model is a population base of 10,000 with no more than 2 general grocers in that base, and a postal code with average household income over 110,000$. The draw is the dairy product is a “bar”, and there is usually a cafe and bakery involved. I quite enjoy ours, I do hope they make a comeback. Yes, you pay a premium price or buy a membership and commit to a minimum monthly purchase for a discount. And there is, of course, a glass, clay or aluminum bottle exchange.
A clever operator would situate near a weekly town gathering such as farmers market, or for some reason a pharmacy, bookstore or specialty apothecary (where you have to wait for mixtures.) seem to work.

They could - and do - exist as artisanal and even medium market producers. I'm a fan of Balderson (north of Perth ON) and it is available at supermarkets. But how do you supply dairy products to ~40 million people when roughly 3/4 of us live in large urban areas and when many if not most shoppers shop by price point? Small, local dairies aren't going to be able to supply Walmart or Costco unless they change their purchasing model.