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CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

On a more serious note though, the key dropout that I've taken away from events of the past few days was something J.D. Vance said:

"And the whole point of this is to change Canada's behaviour"


This entire spat is about Hegemony. The current U.S. administration and a substantial portion of the American population, don't like the direction Canada has taken. Everything from immigration, cozzying up to China, digital taxes, protectionism, lack of investment in defence and security, environmental policy differences, etc...

There is decades of material on this very site that warned that this would eventually come to pass if our trajectory didn't change. Well, that moment is finally here.

The only way you can shape and change behavior? Apply consequences.

Funnily enough, the Trump Administration's tariffs are being felt very unevenly across the Country:

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It's almost like they are designed to attack the current Canadian Govt's support base and also separate the Provinces and create disunity. Will be interesting to watch with the Alberta referendum 60 days away:


It's being talked about elsewhere, but not here 😉
Absolutely a significant part of this is hegemony, although I also believe Trump actually is trade stupid and thinks general tariffs are sound economics versus free trade.

The U.S. is adopting a modernized Monroe Doctrine and asserting a hegemonic right to dominate the Americas. They still have a serious Manifest Destiny hangover. They can hardly hope to be taken seriously in this if they can’t break and dominate Canada. They’re increasingly tipping their hand that they don’t want us to have our own sovereign foreign and trade policy. Canadian sovereignty means little to them; our assertion of it is an impediment to their goals.

They are hypocrites in most of their criticisms of our domestic economic and trade policy, but that and a couple of bucks will buy you a coffee. They won’t be shamed or cajoled by their own hypocrisy, so it’s only a useful indicator of bad faith.

Trump has unleashed this but he is not the sole owner, else it probably would have bankrupted already. We need to be prepared for the very real possibility that this is America going forward.
 
Agreed with much of what you said. I would add my own points
-We need an IMMEDIATE ACTION to what is happening (Now) "Save the what you can"
-We need an in depth, Government-Private collaborative LONG TERM economic strategy carefully planned out, and not simply cast aside for future politics
-Natural resources. We have to really stop messing around, put massive pressure on all parties involved and get the oil and gas (in ALL provinces, there is some in the East too), Mining going much faster (especially the ring of fire), forestry (lets get some trees chopped down rather than burning them), We can rock it as well in ag and seafood.
-With the above, get the pipelines east and west going post haste, no more dithering
-Diversify global markets (and that doesn't mean change the USA to China, otherwise we fuck ourselves all over again), this means as many nations as possible
-Do our damn best to create market demand for OUR products (and don't say "green or clean" anything, the global market doesn't give a shit)
-PM MC has good European connections, I hope he can exploit that WITHOUT us becoming part of the EU
-Hammer down on the provinces to stop tariffing each other (300% in some cases), ENOUGH or say hello to the 51st to the 58th states
-Reduce cost as much as possible for domestic businesses (and any nonsensical regulations)
-STOP protective measures here at home (jncluding supply management, telecomms, etc)
-We still trade with the USA but aim to lose the dependency on them

True economic sovereignty will take time.
I wouldn’t change a thing you’ve said here. “Pitter patter, get the F at ‘er!”
 
Where did I say anywhere that I am on Team America?

Well if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

Also, applying consequences is the best way to shape behaviour. It makes people angry, they will yell and scream but they will do it while cursing you under their breath.

Independent decisions that go against their interests, yes. It's called realpolitik.

So you concur its immoral, but your in support of it?

It doesn't fill me with glee but I understand what their intentions are. I don't actually like many of our Current Govt's policies anyways so having an outside power shape our Govt towards a different direction is actually beneficial in some ways.

It improved the CAFs coffers for instance.

Again your in support of an attack on Canadian independance because you dont like the party in charge?
 
Well if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...



So you concur its immoral, but your in support of it?



Again your in support of an attack on Canadian independance because you dont like the party in charge?
I took his post to be more of a President Trump revealed our weakness and laid bare our unprotective side statement.

This is like sparring with a damn good partner and they humble you really good, letting you know what needs to get better.
 

You know Carney is doing well when Brian Lilley, I repeat, Brian....Lilley....is standing with him.
Brian Lilley has praised him a few times and will not hesitate to criticize him. He does same for Avi Lewis and Pierre Poilievre.

His only real bias is favoritism towards Doug Ford and the fact his girlfriend is on his staff must have nothing to do with it.
 
I think village dairies can return in the right location and circumstances. Our village cheese shop closed a few years ago and has now reopened with all manner of dairy including milk. It’s all local. The supply is a pain but they manage as a specialty shop. It is the grocery store lobby and the dairy boards who killed off these little shops but they are indeed resurfacing. It’s possible to run them as a co-op which is all the more attractive. I believe the base business case model is a population base of 10,000 with no more than 2 general grocers in that base, and a postal code with average household income over 110,000$. The draw is the dairy product is a “bar”, and there is usually a cafe and bakery involved. I quite enjoy ours, I do hope they make a comeback. Yes, you pay a premium price or buy a membership and commit to a minimum monthly purchase for a discount. And there is, of course, a glass, clay or aluminum bottle exchange.
A clever operator would situate near a weekly town gathering such as farmers market, or for some reason a pharmacy, bookstore or specialty apothecary (where you have to wait for mixtures.) seem to work.
They could - and do - exist as artisanal and even medium market producers. I'm a fan of Balderson (north of Perth ON) and it is available at supermarkets. But how do you supply dairy products to ~40 million people when roughly 3/4 of us live in large urban areas and when many if not most shoppers shop by price point? Small, local dairies aren't going to be able to supply Walmart or Costco unless they change their purchasing model.
 
They could - and do - exist as artisanal and even medium market producers. I'm a fan of Balderson (north of Perth ON) and it is available at supermarkets. But how do you supply dairy products to ~40 million people when roughly 3/4 of us live in large urban areas and when many if not most shoppers shop by price point? Small, local dairies aren't going to be able to supply Walmart or Costco unless they change their purchasing model.
Balderson old cheddar is so sharp you can shave with it. Delicious.

Another good one to support is Bothwell. Fantastic cheddar and gouda. Won the British Empire Cheese Award for best marble cheddar a while back.
 
Ok, here is some of the import/export data between us and the US
NOTES
  • Canada receives oil from US, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia and Columbia
  • 4 to 4.1 million barrels of oil/day (60% total USA imports) Barrel = 159 liters
  • 485,000 barrels refined oil products imported each Day Canada (75% to 80% from USA)
  • Canada supplies 90-99% of wheat to the USA
  • Canada ships 1.1-1.45 Billion kilograms of Oats to the US (81% of our Oats exports)
  • US exports 2.3 to 2.6 million kilograms of Peas to Canada
  • US ships 96,000-105,000 tonnes of beef to Canada
  • Canada ships 365,000 to 375,000 tonnes of beef to US
  • Canada sends millions of live hogs to the US every year (Manitoba alone sends 3 million)
  • Canada ships 380,000-415,000 tonnes of pork products to the USA
  • US ships 65,000 tonnes pork products to Canada
  • Canada ships $43-47 Billion (CDN) of metals and minerals to US (Uranium, Aluminum, Nickel, Steel Copper and Niobium)
  • Canada ships 12-12.1 million tonnes of Potash to the US (enhances crop growth)
  • Canada ships almost all of its 140,000 tonnes of exported copper to the US
  • Canada ships 42,225 tonnes of Nickel to the US
  • Canada ships 3,000 to 8,500 tonnes of Uranium to the US (1/3 of the American supply)
  • Canada ships 133 tonnes of Gold to the US
For really making Canada "strong" and putting Canada "first", here is a starting point of some of what we need to work with.
 
Wait, to clarify, the fucked over (fuckee?) is us or the USA? Hopefully condoms are being used.
Like most things political, it's in the eye of the beholder. Some think it's just Canada, some think it's just the U.S. - everyone's mileage varies these days.

Those more cynical than I am say the dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed, too, so .... :)
 
On the topic of Canadian cheeses, obligatory shoutout to St. Albert.
Personally a big fan of local Gouda (made with local milk), made by Dutch expats who couldn't believe how much land for a dairy farm they could buy for how little money compared to back in the old country years ago.
 
More Numbers to consider

Canada top ten export customers are
  • United States ($408.99 Billion)
  • United Kingdom ($33.79 Billion)
  • China ($24.8 Billion)
  • Japan ($10.56 Billion)
  • Netherlands ($6.8 Billion)
  • Germany ($6.5 Billion)
  • Mexico ($6.44 Billion)
  • South Korea ($5.11 Billion)
  • France ($3.64 Billion)
  • Italy ($2.83 Billion)
 
For ALL of you who are emphasizing your Canadian cheese choices, thank you as a farmer. I am not in Dairy but I have for over 30 years promoted local and domestic grown and processed food.
 
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