Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Czech_pivo]

Carney will make sure our stuff is kept in the ground, we wouldn’t want Alberta and the west to gain more wealth.

The jury is out on that.

 

[Kirkhill]

Carney will make sure our stuff is kept in the ground, we wouldn’t want Alberta and the west to gain more wealth.

The jury is out on that.

Call me dubious and hoping.

 

[Underway]

There is a definitive tonal difference, and certainly a massive difference in urgency. Also a large difference in the relationship with the Premiers, certainly a commitment to work as a team to start.

 

[Quirky]

The jury is out on that.

Maybe Carney will silence the environmental radicals within his own government, along with provincial premiers who are keen to block projects. Until that happens, the status quo from the Trudeau gov remains.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Maybe Carney will silence the environmental radicals within his own government, along with provincial premiers who are keen to block projects. Until that happens, the status quo from the Trudeau gov remains.

You use the word Premier in plural, outside of Quebec who do you think is 'keen' to block projects?

If you look at the Port of Churchill as an outlet for oil or LNG or Uranium or Potash or all of those or a combination of those, plus any others, like nickel or chromium or cobalt, all you need 'onside' is Alberta, Sask and Manitoba and ALL of them are all ready for this to occur.

I do NOT expect a pipeline to cross Quebec and you know what? We really don't need it if Churchill occurs. We can ship oil from Churchill to Saint John and Irving's soon to be expanded and upgraded refinery (the largest in Canada) and have refined oil for the Maritimes as well as the US East Coast if we want, along with shipping to the EU.

 

[Remius]

Maybe Carney will silence the environmental radicals within his own government, along with provincial premiers who are keen to block projects. Until that happens, the status quo from the Trudeau gov remains.

Dealing with a province that does not want a pipeline is similar to one that does not want a carbon tax.

Either you believe that province comes first before country or that country comes first.

Your posting history indicates a leaning towards province before country. So why does BC deciding to look after itself and its interests suddenly become a problem for you?

I’m more of a federalist. If they can’t be convinced or bought off they may have to suck it up and the feds may have to force the issue.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Call me dubious and hoping.

Agreed.

 

[QV]

Maybe Carney will silence the environmental radicals within his own government, along with provincial premiers who are keen to block projects. Until that happens, the status quo from the Trudeau gov remains.

We've already seen the signals this is more of the same. When presented with provincial opposition to pipes, just defaults to the Trudeau status quo despite all the talk during the campaign. Still planning to ban ICE vehicle sales by 2035... Kept that zealot SG on deck... ect... I think they are just telling voters what they want to hear and buying time to keep selling their agenda. They can just default to 'blame the USA' anytime they need to.

 

[Kirkhill]

Maybe Carney will silence the environmental radicals within his own government, along with provincial premiers who are keen to block projects. Until that happens, the status quo from the Trudeau gov remains.

One thing that I consider a positive sign is BC's Bill 15.

That Bill, by the NDP, has stripped First Nations cover from the BC Government. The First Nations are as exercised over BC's Bill 15 as they are about federal bill C-5 and Ontario's Bill 5, which is to say some are and some aren't. But the point is that the BC environmentalists, found largely in the NDP caucus, and the Green party, have been using the First Nations as a shield to assist their efforts in blocking development.

Now they have stripped away that cover. I believe that they are losing some of the moral high ground and that might be reflected both in the court of public opinion and in the courts of law.

Development could come down to a straight fight between First Nations in the courts.

Coast Tsimshian to hold information blockade on land transfer to Nisga’a

Coast Tsimshian Nation say the province won’t listen to their proposed solution

www.thenorthernview.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/nisga-a-treaty-disputes-settled-between-b-c-first-nations-1.7124682

B.C. gives green light to LNG pipeline, with no need for new environmental assessment

The British Columbia government says a decade-old environmental assessment certificate remains valid for the c...

lethbridgenewsnow.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

We've already seen the signals this is more of the same. When presented with provincial opposition to pipes, just defaults to the Trudeau status quo despite all the talk during the campaign. Still planning to ban ICE vehicle sales by 2035... Kept that zealot SG on deck... ect... I think they are just telling voters what they want to hear and buying time to keep selling their agenda. They can just default to 'blame the USA' anytime they need to.

The ICE ban HAS to be lock step with the US as WE do NOT call the shots in the auto production direction in North America.

If you read and research on the auto sector you will understand that Toyota (and Honda who is less vocal) has NO intention of making the ICE ban in NA by 2035. They are strictly focusing on hybrid (plug in hybrids) vehicles going into the future. The ICE timeline will die under the Trump administration. The big '3' can't do BOTH in terms of 'onshoring' to the US production from Mexico and/or Canada along with having 100% of all vehicles be EV in less than 9yrs.

EDIT:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/toyota-california-ev-mandates-impossible.html

Toyota exec says EVs won’t top 30%, wants new engines

Chairman Akio Toyoda expects the remaining 70% to be taken up by hybrids and hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles.

www.greencarreports.com

 

[QV]

The ICE ban HAS to be lock step with the US as WE do NOT call the shots in the auto production direction in North America.

If you read and research on the auto sector you will understand that Toyota (and Honda who is less vocal) has NO intention of making the ICE ban in NA by 2035. They are strictly focusing on hybrid (plug in hybrids) vehicles going into the future. The ICE timeline will die under the Trump administration. The big '3' can't do BOTH in terms of 'onshoring' to the US production from Mexico and/or Canada along with having 100% of all vehicles be EV in less than 9yrs.

EDIT:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/toyota-california-ev-mandates-impossible.html

Toyota exec says EVs won’t top 30%, wants new engines

Chairman Akio Toyoda expects the remaining 70% to be taken up by hybrids and hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles.

www.greencarreports.com

Sure, but that doesn't stop the LPC from doing things that drive away investment.

 

[Kirkhill]

Wars with the Niska and Tsimshian and conflicts between Haida families | TOTA

Wars with the Niska and Tsimshian and conflicts between Haida families [Told by Richard of the Middle-giti'ns]

www.tota.world

https://www.warmuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/aborig/haida/havwa01e.html

This is not ancient history. This animosity plays out today with the Haida supporting the Tanker moratorium, the Lax Kw'alaams Tsimshian opposing it and the Nisga'a fighting Lax Kw'alaams for the land to build an LNG port.

Lax Kw'alaams supported the Eagle Spirit route which had two ports under consideration one on Lax Kw'alaams Canadian territory and one on Metlakatla, a sister nation, in Alaska.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Sure, but that doesn't stop the LPC from doing things that drive away investment.

I understand the pessimism. I'm trying to have an open mind on this right now. The worm has turned in terms of how the world is from 4-6yrs ago and the final result of where the world ends up is unknown.

I am optimistic that something will occur with Churchill, what is shipped out of there is yet to be seen, but I do believe that more than present day will be shipped out of there.

I am also optimistic that something net new will start to be shipped out of BC, again what is not known, LNG or Oil. Carney is a businessman at the end of the day. He knows that money greases the wheels of industry and cutting a cheque(s) to the squeaky wheel to go away is usually what is needed.

If in 18-24 months it looks like nothing will happen, I'll be among those on here looking for heads to be on pikes!

 

[Brad Sallows]

This is not ancient history. This animosity plays out today with the Haida supporting the Tanker moratorium, the Lax Kw'alaams Tsimshian opposing it and the Nisga'a fighting Lax Kw'alaams for the land to build an LNG port.

Lax Kw'alaams supported the Eagle Spirit route which had two ports under consideration one on Lax Kw'alaams Canadian territory and one on Metlakatla, a sister nation, in Alaska.

What a pity there's no mechanism to force revenue-sharing at the federal level, if not the provincial one, among all indigenous communities. Either-or produces big fights over big money.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I am also optimistic that something net new will start to be shipped out of BC, again what is not known, LNG or Oil. Carney is a businessman at the end of the day. He knows that money greases the wheels of industry and cutting a cheque(s) to the squeaky wheel to go away is usually what is needed.

"Carney is a businessman" isn't worth much anymore. Everyone's a businessman now. Trump's irrationality and decades' worth of economic performance measures and trends in costs of public infrastructure and employees have forced people in Canada who favour welfare state policies to confront the problem of paying for those things. Thus, they're all dancing around trying to figure out how to push down impediments to productivity in Canada (still with a tendency to try to have other provinces make changes and preserve their own provincial quiffs, though).

 

[Kirkhill]

Wars with the Niska and Tsimshian and conflicts between Haida families | TOTA

Wars with the Niska and Tsimshian and conflicts between Haida families [Told by Richard of the Middle-giti'ns]

www.tota.world

https://www.warmuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/aborig/haida/havwa01e.html

This is not ancient history. This animosity plays out today with the Haida supporting the Tanker moratorium, the Lax Kw'alaams Tsimshian opposing it and the Nisga'a fighting Lax Kw'alaams for the land to build an LNG port.

Lax Kw'alaams supported the Eagle Spirit route which had two ports under consideration one on Lax Kw'alaams Canadian territory and one on Metlakatla, a sister nation, in Alaska.

What a pity there's no mechanism to force revenue-sharing at the federal level, if not the provincial one, among all indigenous communities. Either-or produces big fights over big money.

From yesterday's National Post

Chris Sankey: 'Free, prior, and informed consent' never amounted to a First Nations veto

First Nations have as much interest in seeing major development projects that benefit our communities go ahead as industry and government

nationalpost.com

For decades in this country, Indigenous rights have been trampled upon and trust has been lost. Years of negligence has caused our people not to trust the process and to second guess commitments made by government and industry. In other words, the trust factor is a huge undertaking for our people when it comes to development in our territories. Not only is there difficulty trusting government and industry, trust between neighbouring nations is extremely challenging, as well.

It should thus be left up to Indigenous communities to lay out a process for industry and government that will satisfy them. What works for one community may not work for another. It’s extremely complicated and it is not for the faint of heart. Once you understand the people, you’ll understand the process and things will proceed apace. This is about executing strong relationships between our nations and country by building bridges that bring us together.

I can tell you from experience that forging agreements between our communities is a massive undertaking. It has been my biggest challenge, but it is also the most rewarding. It’s what motivates me to make change happen in our communities. It is stressful, even maddening at times, but every step forward that moves our people to a better place is a massive win. The satisfaction I get out of it is the hope that one day, my children will recognize that their dad played a small part in bringing our people together.

Chris Sankey is a senior advisor and business owner from Lax kw Alaams, B.C.

 

[Czech_pivo]

"Carney is a businessman" isn't worth much anymore. Everyone's a businessman now. Trump's irrationality and decades' worth of economic performance measures and trends in costs of public infrastructure and employees have forced people in Canada who favour welfare state policies to confront the problem of paying for those things. Thus, they're all dancing around trying to figure out how to push down impediments to productivity in Canada (still with a tendency to try to have other provinces make changes and preserve their own provincial quiffs, though).

Lol - ok, 'Carney is a successful product of Goldman Sachs, who also was the CEO of Bloomberg and Vice-Chair at Brookfield Asset Mgmt'.

PP is not a businessman....

Carney on productivity in Canada

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjBk6_c3-6NAxU_M1kFHdm8BmEQwqsBegQIFBAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalnews.ca%2Fvideo%2F11196208%2Fweak-productivity-making-life-less-affordable-for-canadians-carney&usg=AOvVaw3Z6ypTbRDlAjAUbM59t36Y&opi=89978449

 

[Brad Sallows]

From yesterday's National Post

"Free, prior and informed consent isn’t a veto. It never was. If this was the case, nothing would get built in Canada. I am a strong believer in democratic processes. You will get those in favour and those who oppose development. If the majority of a community wants development, it will proceed. The best thing governments and companies can do is provide Indigenous communities with all the information they need to make informed decisions."

Which raises an obvious question: what happens when process follows exactly the ideal path imagined and the majority of a community doesn't want the development and says "No"?

It's at best a waste of time for people to be writing articles that go on and on about all the good things that happen when the answer is "yes" if they never confront what has to happen for "no". At worst, it's hand-waving and misdirection intended to side-step the question because it's obvious that absence of consent is either a veto power or meaningless.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Lol - ok, 'Carney is a successful product of Goldman Sachs, who also was the CEO of Bloomberg and Vice-Chair at Brookfield Asset Mgmt'.

PP is not a businessman....

Carney on productivity in Canada

You wrote as if Carney has magical powers no other politician has.

Almost all of the ones in important positions went to university for four or more years. They're intelligent and educated. A B Comm or a resume in finance is useful for details; it isn't necessary to grasp broad financial and economic principles, and no better than a background in history or philosophy or law or political science when it comes to managing a political jurisdiction.

All politicians know what greases deals; they just start with different priors about who gets the grease, and about who should pay and who should benefit.

 

[Kirkhill]

"Free, prior and informed consent isn’t a veto. It never was. If this was the case, nothing would get built in Canada. I am a strong believer in democratic processes. You will get those in favour and those who oppose development. If the majority of a community wants development, it will proceed. The best thing governments and companies can do is provide Indigenous communities with all the information they need to make informed decisions."

Which raises an obvious question: what happens when process follows exactly the ideal path imagined and the majority of a community doesn't want the development and says "No"?

It's at best a waste of time for people to be writing articles that go on and on about all the good things that happen when the answer is "yes" if they never confront what has to happen for "no". At worst, it's hand-waving and misdirection intended to side-step the question because it's obvious that absence of consent is either a veto power or meaningless.

The best that can be said is that people writing these articles now feel it is worthwhile to raise their heads above the parapets and try to make the supporting case.

The last few years have not encouraged that kind of vocal support.

I'm hoping that the wind is falling off a couple of points making tacking easier. It is still going to be work but maybe .....