Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[daftandbarmy]

And anytime you merge two similar but different organizations together with different cultures, they tend to blow apart in short order.

Or at least that has been my experience…

The RCN and CCG should get along just great, right?

 

[Underway]

And anytime you merge two similar but different organizations together with different cultures, they tend to blow apart in short order.

Or at least that has been my experience…

The organizations are not being merged. Both are going to operate independent of each other, just talk more often about different things.

CCG is getting some expanded roles sure. I'm confident they will be well within the wheelhouse of what the CCG can do and wants to do. They are part of the process in defining the new roles. This is government driven not RCN driven, so the RCN has no say in how this pans out, though I'm sure they can make recommendations and assist CCG in their transition if necessary.

I would hope that undersea infrastructure monitoring ends up being a task for the CCG. That's a good role for them.

 

[captloadie]

The organizations are not being merged. Both are going to operate independent of each other, just talk more often about different things.

CCG is getting some expanded roles sure. I'm confident they will be well within the wheelhouse of what the CCG can do and wants to do. They are part of the process in defining the new roles. This is government driven not RCN driven, so the RCN has no say in how this pans out, though I'm sure they can make recommendations and assist CCG in their transition if necessary.

I would hope that undersea infrastructure monitoring ends up being a task for the CCG. That's a good role for them.

Its funny how everyone defaults to the CCG and the RCN being the two organizations most closely linked, and subject to the largest headbutting.

I foresee the bigger issues, and potentially greater opportunities to cooperate, being between the RCAF, CJOC, CANSOF, and CFINTCOM.
The CCG is already a big player in several domestic operations, and in a world where the CAF is being directed to be a more lethal fighting force, perhaps the SAR mandate would be better nested under the CCG. White and RED is just as nice as bright yellow.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Its funny how everyone defaults to the CCG and the RCN being the two organizations most closely linked, and subject to the largest headbutting.

I foresee the bigger issues, and potentially greater opportunities to cooperate, being between the RCAF, CJOC, CANSOF, and CFINTCOM.
The CCG is already a big player in several domestic operations, and in a world where the CAF is being directed to be a more lethal fighting force, perhaps the SAR mandate would be better nested under the CCG. White and RED is just as nice as bright yellow.

It does open up interesting possibilities, doesn’t it?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Its funny how everyone defaults to the CCG and the RCN being the two organizations most closely linked, and subject to the largest headbutting.

I foresee the bigger issues, and potentially greater opportunities to cooperate, being between the RCAF, CJOC, CANSOF, and CFINTCOM.
The CCG is already a big player in several domestic operations, and in a world where the CAF is being directed to be a more lethal fighting force, perhaps the SAR mandate would be better nested under the CCG. White and RED is just as nice as bright yellow.

And heavily armed icebreakers would be nice too

 

[brihard]

Its funny how everyone defaults to the CCG and the RCN being the two organizations most closely linked, and subject to the largest headbutting.

I foresee the bigger issues, and potentially greater opportunities to cooperate, being between the RCAF, CJOC, CANSOF, and CFINTCOM.
The CCG is already a big player in several domestic operations, and in a world where the CAF is being directed to be a more lethal fighting force, perhaps the SAR mandate would be better nested under the CCG. White and RED is just as nice as bright yellow.

I’ll throw another one out there- CCG and the Rangers.

 

[dapaterson]

I’ll throw another one out there- CCG and the Rangers.

Most important, opening CANEX locations to serve the CCG.

 

[Underway]

Its funny how everyone defaults to the CCG and the RCN being the two organizations most closely linked, and subject to the largest headbutting.

I foresee the bigger issues, and potentially greater opportunities to cooperate, being between the RCAF, CJOC, CANSOF, and CFINTCOM.
The CCG is already a big player in several domestic operations, and in a world where the CAF is being directed to be a more lethal fighting force, perhaps the SAR mandate would be better nested under the CCG. White and RED is just as nice as bright yellow.

You're not wrong. I think that the initial steps are in concert with the RCN as we work directly with them on a lot of things, including SAR. But RCAF and SAR relationships/responsibilities are a very interesting string to pull at. RCAF, RCN, RCMP and CCG already sit at the same table when dealing with SAR, and coordinate/assign assets as necessary (at least on the coasts, I'm unsure of how it works for land based SAR).

 

[KevinB]

Well, once it was merged, the union would exist anymore, or it would be an illegal organization.

Except that you can’t just change employment conditions on a whim like that.

Moving them under DND makes a lot of sense, @captloadie gives a better break down above.

But into the CAF it becomes a lot different and rife with pitfalls that I don’t see any government wanting to take on.

 

[Kirkhill]

And heavily armed icebreakers would be nice too

How heavily armed are the Army's Dozers and Wreckers?

Don't they rely on others to secure their working environment?

 

[Kirkhill]

I’ll throw another one out there- CCG and the Rangers.

The Rangers already wear Coast Guard colours.

 

[FJAG]

Except that you can’t just change employment conditions on a whim like that.

Moving them under DND makes a lot of sense, @captloadie gives a better break down above.

But into the CAF it becomes a lot different and rife with pitfalls that I don’t see any government wanting to take on.

That's probably all too true.

But I do see opportunities to come closer together and yes, it needs an adjustment of the CCG's (and IMHO) the RCMP's statements of work/contracts/ training etc.

The RCMP already does some basic military training when you consider first aid, small arms, tactics and even drill. The first thing that I see about the French Gendarmerie and the Italian Carabinieri is that they can march like military units and carry arms. When I see the US CG I see that their boats/ships carry armaments appropriate to their security duties. They are even statutorily part of the "armed" services.

It's not like there aren't models of what the CGG and RCMP could be transformed into with a little effort. And yes. I'm all for the RCMP becoming our military police and transforming our MPs into a security force, a POW handling agency and traffic control. Leave "policing" to the RCMP.

Sure there are obstacles; they can be overcome. All that's missing is a government with a will to move the goal posts.

 

[daftandbarmy]

That's probably all too true.

But I do see opportunities to come closer together and yes, it needs an adjustment of the CCG's (and IMHO) the RCMP's statements of work/contracts/ training etc.

The RCMP already does some basic military training when you consider first aid, small arms, tactics and even drill. The first thing that I see about the French Gendarmerie and the Italian Carabinieri is that they can march like military units and carry arms. When I see the US CG I see that their boats/ships carry armaments appropriate to their security duties. They are even statutorily part of the "armed" services.

It's not like there aren't models of what the CGG and RCMP could be transformed into with a little effort. And yes. I'm all for the RCMP becoming our military police and transforming our MPs into a security force, a POW handling agency and traffic control. Leave "policing" to the RCMP.

Sure there are obstacles; they can be overcome. All that's missing is a government with a will to move the goal posts.

As I recall, the poor old CCG suffered under Phoenix.

Maybe the fact that they'll get paid properly, and on time, now will be a big incentive

 

[dapaterson]

As I recall, the poor old CCG suffered under Phoenix.

Maybe the fact that they'll get paid properly, and on time, now will be a big incentive

Still paid under Phoenix.

CAF pay is delivered by two past obsolete systems held together mostly by the fact that the Chaplain General HQ is close by and praying for them to deliver pay twice a month.