Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[dapaterson]

78k for a 22yr old - solid income right there.

I was rounding - $82k+ ($6858 gross per month).

Regular Force pay by rank - Canada.ca

Monthly salary for full-time Regular Force and Reserve Class C service, effective April 1, 2024. Upcoming pay rates for all ranks, pay levels and occupations, including specialist, search and rescue, special forces, pilot, legal, medical and dental.

www.canada.ca

 

[childs56]

After the latest pay increase, a Cpl Basic, non-spec, is $40/hour, with no degree requirement.

but they should have reached the status of Journeyman/Woman/person. Which is the same ball park of a degree. Thats good money, nothing to laugh at. Hopefully will attract more to the Military.

 

[ytz]

Medical, dental, strong leave policy, employer pays about $1.49 per dollar contributed by the CAF member to their pension, additional allowances when exposed to specific conditions, ongoing professional development (fully paid) and progression opportunities.

Yep. That was kinda the point of the pay raise. Make us actually competitive on retention and recruiting. I still wish they'd fix housing and childcare. But more money does at least give members the tools to fix some of that themselves.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Yep. That was kinda the point of the pay raise. Make us actually competitive on retention and recruiting. I still wish they'd fix housing and childcare. But more money does at least give members the tools to fix some of that themselves.

Housing needs to be addressed ASAP as well. Childcare might be tackled by maybe providing CCA, CDP, ECE funding for CAF spouses and then hiring them directly.

 

[dapaterson]

Yep. That was kinda the point of the pay raise. Make us actually competitive on retention and recruiting. I still wish they'd fix housing and childcare. But more money does at least give members the tools to fix some of that themselves.

More money won't solve housing, since you're just flooding the market in base locations, causing inflation.

Childcare is a wicked problem across the country. CAF members have it worse, as they relocate more frequently, and have unusual work patterns that don't necessarily align with available providers.

Building childcare capacity will help, but doesn't solve today's problems.

 

[MilEME09]

I was rounding - $82k+ ($6858 gross per month).

Regular Force pay by rank - Canada.ca

Monthly salary for full-time Regular Force and Reserve Class C service, effective April 1, 2024. Upcoming pay rates for all ranks, pay levels and occupations, including specialist, search and rescue, special forces, pilot, legal, medical and dental.

www.canada.ca

This is why I tell my cook friends to join the CAF, batter pay, benefits and working conditions

 

[SeaKingTacco]

More money won't solve housing, since you're just flooding the market in base locations, causing inflation.

Childcare is a wicked problem across the country. CAF members have it worse, as they relocate more frequently, and have unusual work patterns that don't necessarily align with available providers.

Building childcare capacity will help, but doesn't solve today's problems.

Childcare is a nightmare because it is a provincially regulated field.

It is not something that the CAF can impose a national solution…

 

[Eaglelord17]

Childcare is a nightmare because it is a provincially regulated field.

It is not something that the CAF can impose a national solution…

Maybe it is time for it to become a military trade then. Then they can impose whatever solution they wish/is needed as it would fall under Federal not Provincial.

Domestic support worker or some such title. Throw them in under Log.

 

[lenaitch]

Maybe it is time for it to become a military trade then. Then they can impose whatever solution they wish/is needed as it would fall under Federal not Provincial.

Domestic support worker or some such title. Throw them in under Log.

Would that only be available for issued children?

A lot probably depends on the demographics of a base (number/age of kids), which can move over time. Our daughter is a DND employee and couldn't get our grandson into on-base daycare as an infant but can as a toddler. The number of staff per child changes with age.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Maybe it is time for it to become a military trade then. Then they can impose whatever solution they wish/is needed as it would fall under Federal not Provincial.

Domestic support worker or some such title. Throw them in under Log.

Yeah, no.

 

[Remius]

Maybe it is time for it to become a military trade then. Then they can impose whatever solution they wish/is needed as it would fall under Federal not Provincial.

Domestic support worker or some such title. Throw them in under Log.

Or convert failing messes and redirect the money that goes into that?

Let the discussion of mess relevancy begin!

 

[Furniture]

Or convert failing messes and redirect the money that goes into that?

Let the discussion of mess relevancy begin!

Thats a great way to bring back second class status for single members without children....

 

[Eaglelord17]

Would that only be available for issued children?

A lot probably depends on the demographics of a base (number/age of kids), which can move over time. Our daughter is a DND employee and couldn't get our grandson into on-base daycare as an infant but can as a toddler. The number of staff per child changes with age.

Yes but if the CAF wishes to grow and wants to be more family friendly, it would be a step in the right direction. Plus since they would be CAF members they could get posted elsewhere if the demand drops too low for the area.

To me it is no different than having a military hospital or housing. There is a requirement for it, it is just how far we are willing to go to support it.

The hope and prayers system we currently employ doesn’t seem to be working to provide sufficient care.

 

[Remius]

Thats a great way to bring back second class status for single members without children....

Nah, they can get memberships to clubs of their choice. Win win.

On a side note how many single members without children still go to the mess in large enough numbers to justify the expense? Asking.

 

[Furniture]

Nah, they can get memberships to clubs of their choice. Win win.

On a side note how many single members without children still go to the mess in large enough numbers to justify the expense? Asking.

It's not about how many, (it varies by base and event) it's about the fact a single member gets zero from a mandatory childcare charge.

The correct solution is an MFRC that prioritizes CAF members, and that has the capacity to actually support the base.

The problem is that we cut as soon as their is a "surplus", and fail to accout for the idea that demand has peaks and troughs. This applies to childcare, housing, barracks, etc...

 

[MilEME09]

Would that only be available for issued children?

A lot probably depends on the demographics of a base (number/age of kids), which can move over time. Our daughter is a DND employee and couldn't get our grandson into on-base daycare as an infant but can as a toddler. The number of staff per child changes with age.

We already have child care workers, they are called section commanders.


Seriously though, I dont think a trade is the answer here, but a federal work program could be, offer to train people in child care inexchange for X years working on a base. Still civilian labour but federally regulated workers

 

[SeaKingTacco]

It's not about how many, (it varies by base and event) it's about the fact a single member gets zero from a mandatory childcare charge.

The correct solution is an MFRC that prioritizes CAF members, and that has the capacity to actually support the base.

The problem is that we cut as soon as their is a "surplus", and fail to accout for the idea that demand has peaks and troughs. This applies to childcare, housing, barracks, etc...

The problem with MFRCs running daycares is that they still have to be provincially licensed.

Some provinces have pretty interesting rules on daycare access. Like you cannot discriminate or prioritize, at all, on who your clients are.

The simple solution is to locate the daycare centres on the base proper, which practically speaking, allows you to eliminate anyone other than CAF members and DND employees…

 

[SeaKingTacco]

We already have child care workers, they are called section commanders.


Seriously though, I dont think a trade is the answer here, but a federal work program could be, offer to train people in child care inexchange for X years working on a base. Still civilian labour but federally regulated workers

Nice try. Still have to be provincially licensed.