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[Halifax Tar]

Canadian Joint Forces Command - Canada.ca

The Canadian Joint Forces Command (CJFC) has been established as a new command within the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) with Lieutenant-General Darcy Molstad and Chief Warrant Officer Donovan Crawford appointed as its inaugural command team. Its creation marks a major step forward in improving...

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I am lost as to the relevance and requirement of this new command.

I am open to being politely educated.

 

[DBNSG]

Canadian Joint Forces Command - Canada.ca

The Canadian Joint Forces Command (CJFC) has been established as a new command within the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) with Lieutenant-General Darcy Molstad and Chief Warrant Officer Donovan Crawford appointed as its inaugural command team. Its creation marks a major step forward in improving...

www.canada.ca

I am lost as to the relevance and requirement of this new command.

I am open to being politely educated.

Ottawa has to Ottawa.

 

[Good2Golf]

Canadian Joint Forces Command - Canada.ca

The Canadian Joint Forces Command (CJFC) has been established as a new command within the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) with Lieutenant-General Darcy Molstad and Chief Warrant Officer Donovan Crawford appointed as its inaugural command team. Its creation marks a major step forward in improving...

www.canada.ca

I am lost as to the relevance and requirement of this new command.

I am open to being politely educated.

A ‘commandy’ effort to manage the ‘develops’ bits created under the VCDS and blend with things that the late CANOSCOM did, that weren’t particularly well done by CJOC after the CanadaCOM-*CEFCOM-CANOSCOM mash together. Sprinkle in some ‘less cerebral and fore thinking than SJS’ bits and that sounds about right…. #cynicalview #leplusquecachange


Or…..a solution looking for a problem…

 

[brihard]

Childcare is a nightmare because it is a provincially regulated field.

Maybe it is time for it to become a military trade then.

Uh… You guys are talking like infantry MCpls don’t even exist.

Why don’t think we’re called *infant*ry?

 

[Infanteer]

Canadian Joint Forces Command - Canada.ca

The Canadian Joint Forces Command (CJFC) has been established as a new command within the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) with Lieutenant-General Darcy Molstad and Chief Warrant Officer Donovan Crawford appointed as its inaugural command team. Its creation marks a major step forward in improving...

www.canada.ca

I am lost as to the relevance and requirement of this new command.

I am open to being politely educated.

I've long been a proponent of this. It's a Force Generator orphanage.

We've got a few 2 and 3*s in Ottawa whose principal role is to manage the corporate side of the house - the VCDS is in some ways the COS of the CAF, while CMP is supposed to be in overwatch over military HR (ie. CAF J1) but they are also double-hatted as Force Generators for purple formations and units that provide capabilties to all the Army, Navy, Air Force, and CANSOFCOM. This has created funny scenarios where we give the VCDS a GOFO to run the FG side and we double hat CMP as Comd MPC. We also have capabilities that migrated to civilian ADMs - not very clean to have military capacity that goes through an ADM-DM chain when the CDS is the legal source for all legal orders and operational execution in the CAF.

End result is that you have military capabilities that aren't green, blue, navy blue, or tan shot all over the CAF.

Solution: put all these essential capabilities under a purple Force Generator (CJFC) and free up those NDHQ staff officers like VCDS and CMP to focus on their corporate responsibilities. This keeps the functions of Force Generation and Force Management separate.

 

[Ludoc]

Uh… You guys are talking like infantry MCpls don’t even exist.

Why don’t think we’re called *infant*ry?

Because, like infants, you need maximum supervision?

"The infantry had drawing time, lets take a look...it's just a bunch of pictures of dicks...also, all the crayons are now missing."

 

[Fabius]

I've long been a proponent of this. It's a Force Generator orphanage.

We've got a few 2 and 3*s in Ottawa whose principal role is to manage the corporate side of the house - the VCDS is in some ways the COS of the CAF, while CMP is supposed to be in overwatch over military HR (ie. CAF J1) but they are also double-hatted as Force Generators for purple formations and units that provide capabilties to all the Army, Navy, Air Force, and CANSOFCOM. This has created funny scenarios where we give the VCDS a GOFO to run the FG side and we double hat CMP as Comd MPC. We also have capabilities that migrated to civilian ADMs - not very clean to have military capacity that goes through an ADM-DM chain when the CDS is the legal source for all legal orders and operational execution in the CAF.

End result is that you have military capabilities that aren't green, blue, navy blue, or tan shot all over the CAF.

Solution: put all these essential capabilities under a purple Force Generator (CJFC) and free up those NDHQ staff officers like VCDS and CMP to focus on their corporate responsibilities. This keeps the functions of Force Generation and Force Management separate.

To me this makes sense, an interesting component though is that there have been many instances identifying that the CAF is weak at thinking, planning and conducting Joint Operations integrating all domains into linked tactical activities aimed at a single operational objective.
Because this new command is labeled as the Joint Forces Command, some think that it will solve the joint force employment problems. That’s a misunderstanding of what is being formed I think.

The delineation of force management, force generation and force employment is good but we still have a Joint operations gap.

Putting IAMD into the CJFC is a good example of how the CAF doesn’t want to think about or practice joint operations on the force employment side, which bleeds into generation and management.

 

[Good2Golf]

Solution: put all these essential capabilities under a purple Force Generator (CJFC) and free up those NDHQ staff officers like VCDS and CMP to focus on their corporate responsibilities. This keeps the functions of Force Generation and Force Management separate.

How would you fit Force Development and Capability Development into your para above? Particularly noting that those build functions are explicitly identified in CJFC’s purpose.

Purpose and Role​

CJFC enables Canada’s military to take decisive actions in an increasingly complex global security environment. It brings together people, systems, and expertise from across the CAF to build and manage the joint capabilities essential for protecting Canada and supporting allies. These capabilities include:

• Logistics
• Health Services
• Operational Sustainment
• Joint Doctrine
• Joint Force Development

By integrating these functions, the CAF enhances operational readiness, efficiency, and strategic flexibility.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I've long been a proponent of this. It's a Force Generator orphanage.

We've got a few 2 and 3*s in Ottawa whose principal role is to manage the corporate side of the house - the VCDS is in some ways the COS of the CAF, while CMP is supposed to be in overwatch over military HR (ie. CAF J1) but they are also double-hatted as Force Generators for purple formations and units that provide capabilties to all the Army, Navy, Air Force, and CANSOFCOM. This has created funny scenarios where we give the VCDS a GOFO to run the FG side and we double hat CMP as Comd MPC. We also have capabilities that migrated to civilian ADMs - not very clean to have military capacity that goes through an ADM-DM chain when the CDS is the legal source for all legal orders and operational execution in the CAF.

End result is that you have military capabilities that aren't green, blue, navy blue, or tan shot all over the CAF.

Solution: put all these essential capabilities under a purple Force Generator (CJFC) and free up those NDHQ staff officers like VCDS and CMP to focus on their corporate responsibilities. This keeps the functions of Force Generation and Force Management separate.

What purple formations are you talking about that require FGing ?

Can you give examples for each the RCN, Army, RCAH and SOF ?

 

[ArmyRick]

Canadian Joint Forces Command - Canada.ca

The Canadian Joint Forces Command (CJFC) has been established as a new command within the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) with Lieutenant-General Darcy Molstad and Chief Warrant Officer Donovan Crawford appointed as its inaugural command team. Its creation marks a major step forward in improving...

www.canada.ca

I am lost as to the relevance and requirement of this new command.

I am open to being politely educated.

When I read the email from the CDS on this on my DWAN account, I was confused as to what or why.

 

[Halifax Tar]

When I read the email from the CDS on this on my DWAN account, I was confused as to what or why.

Ya, I'm not going to lie the justifications here make me more head scratchy too...

 

[Fabius]

What purple formations are you talking about that require FGing ?

Can you give examples for each the RCN, Army, RCAH and SOF ?

Health Services and MPs are two prime examples.

How would you fit Force Development and Capability Development into your para above? Particularly noting that those build functions are explicitly identified in CJFC’s purpose.

I suspect that CJFC would own the FD and Cap Dev for the purple elements the same as the others do for their domains.

The Joint Force doctrine and Joint Force Development fitted into CJFC is weird as in this case they actually mean Joint NOT purple.

Those functions should likely reside with the Force employer of joint forces ie CJOC as that is where the respective forces generated are integrated across domains.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Health Services and MPs are two prime examples.

Can you link those to specific environmental requirements ?

Just thinking back to my Afg tours as an augmentee.

The Med, MP and Log folks all worked up with the BG as a sort of single organism FG together.

 

[Fabius]

Can you link those to specific environmental requirements ?

Not sure what you mean here in relation to this?

The Med, MP and Log folks all worked up with the BG as a sort of single organism FG together.

Couple thoughts.
1. I think the CAF had a decision to make on this issue. Either cut all purple stuff back to the respective elements or group them under a new thing to make force generation vs force mgmt clearer.
2. At an individual CFTPO fill into unit and below operations it’s obviously workable as it’s been. However I suspect that it’s likely not as scalable as we move towards major combat operations involving divisions, wings, fleets etc.
3. In terms of point 2 it doesn’t mean the BG or ship won’t have a doc or PA attached to them via CFPTO etc. I think it’s more about ensuring that the Bde has a Fd Amb ready to go with them and that the Div has a Role 3 Fd hospital ready to support.

Edited to add, least I hope so

 

[Halifax Tar]

Not sure what you mean here in relation to this?

Where exactly would this JOINT command support the RCN ?

Couple thoughts.
1. I think the CAF had a decision to make on this issue. Either cut all purple stuff back to the respective elements or group them under a new thing to make force generation vs force mgmt clearer.

If this is the case we made the wrong choice.

2. At an individual CFTPO fill into unit and below operations it’s obviously workable as it’s been. However I suspect that it’s likely not as scalable as we move towards major combat operations involving divisions, wings, fleets etc.
3. In terms of point 2 it doesn’t mean the BG or ship won’t have a doc or PA attached to them via CFPTO etc. I think it’s more about ensuring that the Bde has a F’d Amb ready to go with them and that the Div has a Role 3 Fd hospital ready to support.

This just looks more and more like a command to FG NSEs is what I am getting.

None of this fits the RCN way of FGing ships crews. No experience on the RCAF side so I wont speak to that.

 

[Good2Golf]

Health Services and MPs are two prime examples.



I suspect that CJFC would own the FD and Cap Dev for the purple elements the same as the others do for their domains.

The Joint Force doctrine and Joint Force Development fitted into CJFC is weird as in this case they actually mean Joint NOT purple.

Those functions should likely reside with the Force employer of joint forces ie CJOC as that is where the respective forces generated are integrated across domains.

And we shall see if CFD, JWC and other related elements get transferred from VCDS Group to CJFC.

 

[Fabius]

And we shall see if CFD, JWC and other related elements get transferred from VCDS Group to CJFC.

The other interesting organizations are the CJOC units and formations that it’s responsible for both force generating and employing.

Where exactly would this JOINT command support the RCN ?



If this is the case we made the wrong choice.



This just looks more and more like a command to FG NSEs is what I am getting.

None of this fits the RCN way of FGing ships crews. No experience on the RCAF side so I wont speak to that.

You might be right, I think the NSE concept needs to be grown into a full fledged joint theatre sustainment command capability.
How does the CAF plan to support the Army’s Div forward, multiple RCAF wings forward and several naval task groups forward deployed?

 

[GR66]

How does the CAF plan to support the Army’s Div forward, multiple RCAF wings forward and several naval task groups forward deployed?