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I think the politically viable solution in Canada would be return the RCMP back to its 1870s roots, which would put it back into the frame of paramilitary forces like the Royal Irish Constabulary, the Gendarmerie and the Carabinieri. A lot of policing and a little bit of military capability.

And an auxiliary force of civilians, possibly leveraging the Rangers and their structure.

And with that I would think we would have the back foot planted.

And we could focus on the rapier.
 
I agree with your points. And I have overstated the aggressor for requirements. As you say, and the IRA and others have consistently demonstrated, a small cell of half a dozen or so can generate the core elements for a Batoche/Oka type of force. Beyond the people supporting the cause there are estimated to be 70,000 individuals in Canada involved in organized gangs. Apparently Hell's Angels alone have about a thousand in 30 or 40 chapters.


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AI helps me out - 500 Irishmen following Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams

Estimates for the number of core, active members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) during the Troubles (roughly 1969–1998) vary, but generally suggest a relatively small hard-core group of volunteers within a larger, fluctuating organization.
  • Peak Active Strength: At the height of the conflict in the early 1970s, estimates of the "active" or core membership range from 1,500 (according to CAIN/Martin Melaugh) to several thousand, with some estimates citing up to 1,200 in Belfast alone in 1971.
  • Later Years (Cell Structure): After reorganizing into smaller, more secure "cell" structures in the late 1970s, the number of active, full-time volunteers is believed to have reduced to a core group of approximately 500 to 800.
  • Total Volunteers: While the core, active, and armed members were relatively few, some estimates suggest that as many as 8,000 to 10,000 individuals may have passed through the ranks of the Provisional IRA over the course of the 30-year conflict, including active volunteers, support staff, and those in prison
Tying down up to 300,000 Brits over 30 years and disrupting the lives and economy of 2,000,000 people locally and 55,000,000 back on the Mainland.

During the Troubles (1969–2007), over 300,000 British military personnel served in Northern Ireland as part of Operation Banner, with troop levels peaking at approximately 21,000 to 27,000 in the 1970s. They worked alongside the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), which had over 10,000 officers during the conflict's height.
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Key Facts on Security Forces:
  • Operation Banner: The longest continuous deployment in British military history, starting in 1969 and ending in July 2007.
  • Peak Strength: In 1972, the height of the Troubles, there were 21,000 British troops stationed there. Other estimates place the total military personnel (including local regiments) as high as 27,000.
  • Total Serving: More than 300,000 soldiers served in Northern Ireland during the 38-year campaign.
  • Police (RUC): The Royal Ulster Constabulary maintained a force of around 10,000+ officers.
  • Casualties: 1,441 military personnel died during the operation (722 in paramilitary attacks).
  • UDR: The locally recruited Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) was also part of the security effort.
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At the height of the conflict, the combined strength of the British Army, UDR, and RUC meant a very heavy security presence on the streets to manage riots, checkpoints, and counter-insurgency operations

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But I am glad to be assured that this can never happen in Canada. 😉

Yabbut…

The conditions in Canada - and the US for that matter - are not, nor ever have been, similar to Ireland (or any other equivalent global trouble spot) in a way that would spark and sustain such a profoundly destructive terrorist conflict.

Thank goodness.

Suggest you go back to smoking the pipe without the screen in the bottom old chap ;)
 
Yabbut…

The conditions in Canada - and the US for that matter - are not, nor ever have been, similar to Ireland (or any other equivalent global trouble spot) in a way that would spark and sustain such a profoundly destructive terrorist conflict.

Thank goodness.

Suggest you go back to smoking the pipe without the screen in the bottom old chap ;)

We shall disagree. Canada's own history suggests another interpretation.
 
Militarization of our police forces is not likely to be supported in this day and age.

Is making a part of the RCMP like the French Gendarmerie or the Italian Carabineiri really so bad?

I think the public is more concerned if the whole RCMP ends up with the mandate and aesthetics of ICE. Even the organization named above don't roll like that.
 
Is making a part of the RCMP like the French Gendarmerie or the Italian Carabineiri really so bad?

I think the public is more concerned if the whole RCMP ends up with the mandate and aesthetics of ICE. Even the organization named above don't roll like that.
A better approach might be creating a 'net new' organization instead of having the RMCP move into some/all of that new role. That way is keep the public perception that there is still a distinct line between the police and the military.

The French NG is like over 100k in strength. That's a significant number, roughly 35-40% the size of the 'proper' French Armed Forces. If we use the potential future baseline of 84k of the CAF, we'd be looking at a new force of about 34k.
 
A better approach might be creating a 'net new' organization instead of having the RMCP move into some/all of that new role. That way is keep the public perception that there is still a distinct line between the police and the military.

The French NG is like over 100k in strength. That's a significant number, roughly 35-40% the size of the 'proper' French Armed Forces. If we use the potential future baseline of 84k of the CAF, we'd be looking at a new force of about 34k.
I really don't think it matters if it is a militarized police service or a civilianized miliary service. You use - or create - a body to fulfill an identified need then empower and equipment them to do it. It could be the RCMP, a Gendarmerie or the Raging Grannies. The bottom line reality in Canada is its existence, and everything they are expected to do, has to be Constitutionally compliant, unless people are willing to throw out that bathwater in name of security.

Adapting existing structures to new roles is often more than someone saying 'make it so'. Sure, put missiles on a CG ice breaker, but don't be surprised when the civilian crew balks at being shot at. Same with the Rangers. How many would stay signed up if the role of their fancy new rifles is to kill people?

The romantic and historic role of the RCMP simply can't be replicated in the present day. The NWMP were an armed and uniformed all-of-government presence in the emerging west. Society will not accept that today.

I believe the Atomic Energy Commission or whoever they’re called have their own armed tactical security forces at their facilities. So that’s one place the CAF don’t have to worry about being dragged into.
Ontario Power Generation has armed security at its nuclear sites as does privately-owned Bruce Nuclear.
 
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