Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[PuckChaser]

5800 people short of the CAF target.

At least 15% of that shortfall is concentrated in 3 of the 4 CA Signals trades. We're recruiting people into the wrong trades.

 

[Halifax Tar]

5800 people short of the CAF target.

At least 15% of that shortfall is concentrated in 3 of the 4 CA Signals trades. We're recruiting people into the wrong trades.

Where do you get that data ? Feel free to DM.

 

[daftandbarmy]

So in your prior service, you never used acronyms as aids in doing your job?

F.A.B. Virgil!

 

[Brad Sallows]

You mean the guy that warned about the exponential growth of a military-industrial complex then…led the country during a time of exponential growth of a military-industrial complex?

Bit of a gap between 1930 and 1952, with some big events in between. But what is a mobilization plan, if not a plan for exponential growth of the military-industrial complex to serve a compelling need?

 

[FJAG]

Where do you get that data ? Feel free to DM.

Just as an aside, when I draw up my napkin future force models which are designed to show how to create an army that is capable of expanding to in size beyond its three plus one brigade structures using both its RegF and ARes, I always end up short of sigs and logistics/maintenance people/units long before I run out of infantry, armoured and even gunners.

That has to do with creating a structure that is capable of fielding more than one or two rotational battlegroups at a time. In today's peacetime environment you can get by with what the CAF has albeit how long it can continue that is a question.

MCO, OTOH, requires larger formations and logistics. Larger formations require significantly better communications. MCO formation logistics . . . well that speaks for itself.

Bit of a gap between 1930 and 1952, with some big events in between. But what is a mobilization plan, if not a plan for exponential growth of the military-industrial complex to serve a compelling need?

This.

That is the point - 100%.

The only word that I would add is "rapid" before "exponential."

 

[OldSolduer]

5800 people short of the CAF target.

At least 15% of that shortfall is concentrated in 3 of the 4 CA Signals trades. We're recruiting people into the wrong trades.

I’m currently trying to write a book and I speak about communication.
Comms in my mind is a weapon system in that if handled by trained people can bring death and destruction upon thine enemies.

If you don’t have proper comms things will fail.

 

[Grimey]

F.A.B. Virgil!

Long ago on some mid-Pacific middle watch, the topic of the Thunderbirds came up, as it invariably did. The question for the night was, what did F.A.B. stand for? We settled on Fuckin’ A, Bubba!

 

[daftandbarmy]

Long ago on some mid-Pacific middle watch, the topic of the Thunderbirds came up, as it invariably did. The question for the night was, what did F.A.B. stand for? We settled on Fuckin’ A, Bubba!

If only you all followed the 'Fandom' pages


"F.A.B." is the codeword used by International Rescue agents as a means of acknowledgement, serving a similar purpose to "Roger". Although pronounced as individual letters, it does not stand for anything. The codeword was suggested by Grandma Tracy as a short, precise, and unique sounding term of acknowledgement, and based it off 'fabulous', which had been a much used phrase long ago."

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[ytz]

I would first have to be convinced there is a problem. Adopting tech from the US or elsewhere that requires some form of dedicated security, a la F-35s is an issue that needs to be addressed, but limited to where the tech will be. Is there a CF base that currently has the gate down on a regular basis?

It's one thing to say that certain weapons or authorities are needed on domestic soil, but it's another to make it legal. If you give somebody a gun and a role, it is assumed they have the ability to exercise it under the appropriate circumstances. I'm not sure the military's concept of unlimited liability applies on domestic soil.

Where is this "exploitable seam" that cannot be addressed by current resources properly funded? CSIS, CSE, Immigration, federal law enforcement?

You hit the nail on the head. This forum is, of course, full of military people. And there's a temptation to be the hammer that sees everything as a nail.

Proper security requires deeper thinking than "militarize everything".

 

[ytz]

I’m currently trying to write a book and I speak about communication.
Comms in my mind is a weapon system in that if handled by trained people can bring death and destruction upon thine enemies.

If you don’t have proper comms things will fail.

You are 100% right. Every future scenario brings this up. We're in a world with AI Tik Tok videos that can sway public opinion substantially. It is absolutely essential to get strategic comms right. I'm tired of people treating this like a side chore. It's literally the core of the Information Domain. And is part of multi-domaim ops. Winning the Cognitive war is definitely part of the fight.

 

[Grimey]

If only you all followed the 'Fandom' pages


"F.A.B." is the codeword used by International Rescue agents as a means of acknowledgement, serving a similar purpose to "Roger". Although pronounced as individual letters, it does not stand for anything. The codeword was suggested by Grandma Tracy as a short, precise, and unique sounding term of acknowledgement, and based it off 'fabulous', which had been a much used phrase long ago."

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Ah, re fandom, the internet was in its infancy back then, or shitty bandwidth. Our second thought was it was some play word that Gerry and Sylvia used in the sack. We were matelots, after all .

 

[PuckChaser]

Where do you get that data ? Feel free to DM.

DGPR 5 (?) on SharePoint has monthly health of every trade. Just some quick math on the numbers I remember, it might be worse than that honestly.

 

[Remius]

DGPR 5 (?) on SharePoint has monthly health of every trade. Just some quick math on the numbers I remember, it might be worse than that honestly.

I don’t think you are wrong.

4 Div made a point of mentioning that our numbers were well over 100% overall but most of it was combat arms. It was labelled as a failure.

CSS, Sigs etc are not where we need them.

 

[dapaterson]

DGPR 5 (?) on SharePoint has monthly health of every trade. Just some quick math on the numbers I remember, it might be worse than that honestly.

DPGR - Director Pers Gen Requirements, not DGPR.

 

[RangerRay]

Not AECL. Bruce Power and OPG have their own security forces.

I believe it’s AECL who have an old laboratory in Manitoba which has their own armed tactical force. I imagine their other facilities, if they have them, are likewise protected.

 

[Good2Golf]

I believe it’s AECL who have an old laboratory in Manitoba which has their own armed tactical force. I imagine their other facilities, if they have them, are likewise protected.

Ah, I think they do. I thought you meant AECL was also responsible for security at OPG’s nuke plants.

 

[Maxman1]

5800 people short of the CAF target.

At least 15% of that shortfall is concentrated in 3 of the 4 CA Signals trades. We're recruiting people into the wrong trades.

 

[KevinB]

You are 100% right. Every future scenario brings this up. We're in a world with AI Tik Tok videos that can sway public opinion substantially. It is absolutely essential to get strategic comms right. I'm tired of people treating this like a side chore. It's literally the core of the Information Domain. And is part of multi-domaim ops. Winning the Cognitive war is definitely part of the fight.

You bring up a key point. Far to often Comms is just viewed solely as hard comms - data and voice transmission. Things get siloed then as there isn’t the thought to Information Management (or sometimes the IM aspect gets solely looks at as the tech nerds). Strat Comms is often overlooked, and its various subsets, or left outside of the strategic planning tent, or the links with intelligence and counter intelligence aren’t used - and a lot of potential is then squandered.

Many of those specialties need to link to other government departments not just the CAF to be successful

 

[Kirkhill]

I’m currently trying to write a book and I speak about communication.
Comms in my mind is a weapon system in that if handled by trained people can bring death and destruction upon thine enemies.

If you don’t have proper comms things will fail.

Who do you eliminate first? The guy with the binoculars and the radio.

 

[Underway]

5800 people short of the CAF target.

At least 15% of that shortfall is concentrated in 3 of the 4 CA Signals trades. We're recruiting people into the wrong trades.

Not even remotely close to the SIP. 5800 people is about 1500 less than the entire recruiting targets for this entire year. Are you referring to 5800 short of our approved staffing levels for total members in the CAF? Because if that's very different than "target numbers".

CAF targets are only for recruiting, CAF approved staffing levels are the maximum number of people we are allowed to be employed. There is no plan to reach the approved staffing levels this year. However the next two years for recruiting are going to be nuts. I'm expecting a SIP of approx 10'000 new recruits next year (and 13'000 in 2027). Considering that two years ago the SIP was ~6000 pers a year that is a very large increase.