Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Kirkhill]

I got the impreesion the Norwegians and Commandos were planning on using them in the North Atlantic and icy waters. In waters not dissimilar to where the dory men used to fish.

Fun fact. Those dories, and their Hudson Bay twins, were designed in Scandinavia over 1300 years ago. They were good enough to go island hopping along the North Atlantic ice edge.

 

[Kirkhill]

You mean, probably in the case of the UK, the Royal Navy will be using them with some Royal Marines on board as required.

I might be wrong, but Jack isn't too keen on letting bootnecks operate anything larger than a flatbottomed boat with a ramp on the front within a stone's throw from the beach.

It occurs to me that at 60 tonnes and 20 metres they are in the same class as these:

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Interesting, I wonder how TBS would take to this form of accounting and how it works when a government changes?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2034204419940647164

 

[dapaterson]

DND already has a 20 year investment plan. Approved by TBS.

 

[Kirkhill]

Interesting, I wonder how TBS would take to this form of accounting and how it works when a government changes?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2034204419940647164

If it shakes up the accountants enough that it permits the existing budget to meet today's revised needs it can't be a bad thing.

Start with redirecting AJAX funds to UxVs.

 

[MilEME09]

Full breakdown of the ammunition money.

Minister McGuinty announces investment of $1.4 billion into Domestic Ammunition Production - Canada.ca

In the ever-evolving global threat landscape, Canada must strengthen domestic capabilities to protect sovereignty, safeguard national interests, and support long-term security.

www.canada.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Full breakdown of the ammunition money.

Minister McGuinty announces investment of $1.4 billion into Domestic Ammunition Production - Canada.ca

In the ever-evolving global threat landscape, Canada must strengthen domestic capabilities to protect sovereignty, safeguard national interests, and support long-term security.

www.canada.ca

So do I take this to mean that we can produce a 155 from start to finish?
Any sense of they are increasing the amount of shells produced each month, and what those numbers might be?

 

[Greene]

So do I take this to mean that we can produce a 155 from start to finish?
Any sense of they are increasing the amount of shells produced each month, and what those numbers might be?

I think the Globe & Mail article mentioned that production would be 12,000 M795 shells per month by 2029. From what I've read, we can't produce any of those shells right now. Plus the nitrocellulose production will be a completely new capability.

 

[Kirkhill]

I think the Globe & Mail article mentioned that production would be 12,000 M795 shells per month by 2029. From what I've read, we can't produce any of those shells right now. Plus the nitrocellulose production will be a completely new capability.

It will be better than we are doing but it will still only be 2 days of supply per month in Ukraine.

And no fuzes. Apparently.

Noah's take

Minister Mcguinty announces new $1.4 billion Investment in Canada’s 155mm munition production

Noah Note

www.truenorthstrategicreview.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

I think the Globe & Mail article mentioned that production would be 12,000 M795 shells per month by 2029. From what I've read, we can't produce any of those shells right now. Plus the nitrocellulose production will be a completely new capability.

Well that sounds very promising

 

[Czech_pivo]

It will be better than we are doing but it will still only be 2 days of supply per month in Ukraine.

And no fuzes. Apparently.

How many tubes do you estimate are firing those 6,000 shells?

 

[Kirkhill]

Forbes guess

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Apparently the Ukrainians are building 36 Bohdana wheeled SPHs a month.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I’d be a lot more supportive of the Carney Regime if this guy was not MND, and if every one of his Cabinet members could stop lying. They are starting to sound like Trumps people. Slavish to the master, 100% political all the time, and full of crap.


Not saying the Cons would be better, but for f*ck sakes just stop it.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I’d be a lot more supportive of the Carney Regime if this guy was not MND, and if every one of his Cabinet members could stop lying. They are starting to sound like Trumps people. Slavish to the master, 100% political all the time, and full of crap.


Not saying the Cons would be better, but for f*ck sakes just stop it.

I don't know if we'll hit 2%, but there is a ludicrous amount of things that were greenlit this year 6-9 months ago that is still rolling in this FY, so it's less 'March madness' and more time lag, with a lot more coming, when the O&M pursestrings were somewhat restored and large backlog of required parts started getting ordered. Also a lot of ongoing repairs to things that have been falling apart for decades with RPOps going nuts with minor cap projects. The big thing slowing it down is just capacity (both our internal and actual construction capacity)

A lot of it is also just big projects starting to deliver, with things like all the infra for F35 starting construction (and payments going out) over the next few years, CSC long lead items and a lot of other expensive bits for programs.

2% is a bit of a random goal, but hard to argue that they aren't spending a lot on defence, and it's increased significantly in the last year.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I hate the 2% or 5 % BS.

Produce and/or procure what’s needed at the lowest price without making stupid decisions that put service members or the country at risk of defeat.

 

[McG]

“March Madness” is more of a tactical level phenomenon. ADM(Mat) and ADM(IE) are not agile enough to rush a big expenditure within a single month. But units that failed to over program and held a CO’s funding reserve until too late in the year are often more able to surge a bunch of last minute little purchases (which collectively are not likely a significant surge in departmental expenditure).

 

[DBNSG]

I don't know if we'll hit 2%, but there is a ludicrous amount of things that were greenlit this year 6-9 months ago that is still rolling in this FY, so it's less 'March madness' and more time lag, with a lot more coming, when the O&M pursestrings were somewhat restored and large backlog of required parts started getting ordered. Also a lot of ongoing repairs to things that have been falling apart for decades with RPOps going nuts with minor cap projects. The big thing slowing it down is just capacity (both our internal and actual construction capacity)

A lot of it is also just big projects starting to deliver, with things like all the infra for F35 starting construction (and payments going out) over the next few years, CSC long lead items and a lot of other expensive bits for programs.

2% is a bit of a random goal, but hard to argue that they aren't spending a lot on defence, and it's increased significantly in the last year.

All it took was a Trudeau leaving , a Carney showing up and a Toddler having a fit down South.

 

[Halifax Tar]

"There, there, lad... you just play with your knives over there and we'll get the important stuff figured out for you..."

For some reason I heard that in my head in a thick Welsh accent.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I don't know if we'll hit 2%, but there is a ludicrous amount of things that were greenlit this year 6-9 months ago that is still rolling in this FY, so it's less 'March madness' and more time lag, with a lot more coming, when the O&M pursestrings were somewhat restored and large backlog of required parts started getting ordered. Also a lot of ongoing repairs to things that have been falling apart for decades with RPOps going nuts with minor cap projects. The big thing slowing it down is just capacity (both our internal and actual construction capacity)

A lot of it is also just big projects starting to deliver, with things like all the infra for F35 starting construction (and payments going out) over the next few years, CSC long lead items and a lot of other expensive bits for programs.

2% is a bit of a random goal, but hard to argue that they aren't spending a lot on defence, and it's increased significantly in the last year.

2% is not a random goal. Its a spending level that we agreed to years ago.

 

[markppcli]

It will be better than we are doing but it will still only be 2 days of supply per month in Ukraine.

And no fuzes. Apparently.

Noah's take

Minister Mcguinty announces new $1.4 billion Investment in Canada’s 155mm munition production

Noah Note

www.truenorthstrategicreview.ca

Noah's since redacted to note fuzes are included.