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Canada seeks to buy Long Range Precision Rockets (probably US MLRS or HIMARS)

A bit more on the Aussie HIMARS-PrSM plan

And some info on their sovereign missile production plan

Currently producing GMRLS domestically and looking to create a standalone 4000 GMRLS missile a year facility by 2029 with another facility by 2033


NSM factory has already been established


And then there is the Aussie participation in Raytheon's HACM hypersonic scramjet missile

Given that HACM is to be carried by F35s and F15s then it seems that it can't weigh more than about 2000 lb. It is supposed to fly out to 1000 NM (1900 km) at speeds up to Mach 8 at 60,000 ft with a 500 kg class warhead.

At 60,000 ft Mach 8 is about 8500 km/h

Time to 1000 NM, or 1900 km, would be about 13 minutes after the F18 or 15 or 35 reaches release point.
 
Taiwan moving HIMARS to islands 50 km off the coast of China.

GMRLS range 75 km. GMRLS-ER and GLSDB range 150 km. ATACMS range 300 km. PrSM range 500-1000 km.



 
Europe building on Ukrainian experience to develop 2000 km containerized strike systems.


 
Can Canada get there with this?


Add 3D printed fuel to

3D printed rockets


3D printed cruise missiles


3D printed jet engines


3D printed explosives

 
At risk of scratching at scabs....

That is precisely why I think that missiles, drones and loitering munitions will outpace guns. I think it will be faster to create the means of delivering HE on target by rocket than by gun. And I also suspect that rocket powered "drones" will predominate in the Precision market while jets and battery powered drones will dominate the Logistics and Loitering markets.

Not necessarily because guns are inferior to rockets but simply because they are harder to make.
 
At risk of scratching at scabs....

That is precisely why I think that missiles, drones and loitering munitions will outpace guns. I think it will be faster to create the means of delivering HE on target by rocket than by gun. And I also suspect that rocket powered "drones" will predominate in the Precision market while jets and battery powered drones will dominate the Logistics and Loitering markets.

Not necessarily because guns are inferior to rockets but simply because they are harder to make.
As you'd expect, I disagree completely albeit one can argue at length as to what "predominate" means. Does it apply to launcher systems or projectiles?

You are focussed on the means of delivery rather than the projectile itself. True it takes more manufacturing effort to create a modern SP than a HIMARS launcher or container launcher (for example) but once the gun is in service, the ammunition can be created quickly and in mass. You are also undervaluing the all-weather capability of gun fired projectiles and their virtual invulnerability to air defence.

The only trick, if I can call it that, is to have enough guns online at the beginning of hostilities to handle the job and that a manufacturing capability exists to expand holdings and replace losses at a required rate. True- this takes planning which the CAF does not excel at, but so does stocking other munitions.

Long story short - you need a mix of systems. I'll go this far. I don't think that the Canadian army has really gotten its head around weapon systems at this point. The fact that the artillery is thinking in terms of three 18-gun regiments, a single HIMARS regiment and relegating a few UAV/loitering resources to the tactical groups, shows me that it isn't preparing for medium range missile and loitering munitions systems at scale. hand-held drones with the infantry is one thing. Medium to long range to support a divisional close and deep fight are quite another. I'm hoping that at some point there will be a "come to Jesus" moment where the lightbulb comes on. I just don't see it happening yet.

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As you'd expect, I disagree completely albeit one can argue at length as to what "predominate" means. Does it apply to launcher systems or projectiles?

You are focussed on the means of delivery rather than the projectile itself. True it takes more manufacturing effort to create a modern SP than a HIMARS launcher or container launcher (for example) but once the gun is in service, the ammunition can be created quickly and in mass. You are also undervaluing the all-weather capability of gun fired projectiles and their virtual invulnerability to air defence.

The only trick, if I can call it that, is to have enough guns online at the beginning of hostilities to handle the job and that a manufacturing capability exists to expand holdings and replace losses at a required rate. True- this takes planning which the CAF does not excel at, but so does stocking other munitions.

Long story short - you need a mix of systems. I'll go this far. I don't think that the Canadian army has really gotten its head around weapon systems at this point. The fact that the artillery is thinking in terms of three 18-gun regiments, a single HIMARS regiment and relegating a few UAV/loitering resources to the tactical groups, shows me that it isn't preparing for medium range missile and loitering munitions systems at scale. hand-held drones with the infantry is one thing. Medium to long range to support a divisional close and deep fight are quite another. I'm hoping that at some point there will be a "come to Jesus" moment where the lightbulb comes on. I just don't see it happening yet.

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Are HIMARS missiles weather-limited?

As to having enough guns on line at the beginning of hostilities is my exact point.

We don't. The Ukrainians didn't. The Americans don't.

That lack of guns forced the Ukrainians "to do the other thing" and figure out how best to employ what they had on hand.


Watervliet produces about a dozen 155mm barrels a month and Rheinmetall produces a dozen complete guns a year. Nexter is producing a dozen CESARs a month.

Ukraine is cranking out 40 155mm Bohdans a month. Under fire. Both towed and mounted on the back of an unarmoured truck.

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The manufacture of guns is a bottleneck. A bottleneck that can be avoided with rockets and jets.
 

"In particular, as of September 2025, 345 Bohdana self-propelled howitzers as well as another 100 Bohdana-B towed howitzers were declared, which together makes 445 units. Since the production rate is 30-40 units per month, the result as of the end of February-beginning of March 2026 of over 600 units seems quite realistic."



I note that the Bohdana SP is essentially the Bohdana Towed mounted on the back of a common logistics truck with an armoured cab. The vrew is exposed during firing and the gun fires from spades.

This is more CESAR than Artcher or RCH155.
 


 
The other side of the argument

Low Cost Containerized Missiles



APKWS II (more than 25000 units per year - over 100,000 delivered so far)


And launchers are inexpensive and fast to produce, also mountable on any platform with no recoil forces to worry about.

 
Are HIMARS missiles weather-limited?
The word isn't "limited" but "effected" and yes they can be depending on the weather. It's a function of size and guidance systems. Even tube launched artillery is effected by weather which is why we have met dets to calculate non standard conditions that our computers compensate for.

As to having enough guns on line at the beginning of hostilities is my exact point.
And the following articles that you cite show how production is ramping up - you left out the Koreans and Indians and South Africans all of whom have capabilities.
We don't. The Ukrainians didn't. The Americans don't.
That's a question relating to the size of the conflict.
That lack of guns forced the Ukrainians "to do the other thing" and figure out how best to employ what they had on hand.
The lack of "reliable" guns and later ammunition at a time when stocks were low to start with. That is changing dramatically across the world. Ukraine had a defence manufacturing industry in 2014 with well over 100,000 employees. Artillery was part of their portfolio albeit they still stocked many old Soviet systems in reserve which proved inadequate. The "other thing" was coming around regardless because of the viability of such systems became abundantly clear in the interval 2014 to 2022.

And just to get it through again so that you'll stop posting links to every missile system in the world. I'm not against missiles and rockets and LMs, I'm in favour of a balanced force while you seem to be indicating its time to turn all tubed systems into monuments.

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The word isn't "limited" but "effected" and yes they can be depending on the weather. It's a function of size and guidance systems. Even tube launched artillery is effected by weather which is why we have met dets to calculate non standard conditions that our computers compensate for.


And the following articles that you cite show how production is ramping up - you left out the Koreans and Indians and South Africans all of whom have capabilities.

That's a question relating to the size of the conflict.

The lack of "reliable" guns and later ammunition at a time when stocks were low to start with. That is changing dramatically across the world. Ukraine had a defence manufacturing industry in 2014 with well over 100,000 employees. Artillery was part of their portfolio albeit they still stocked many old Soviet systems in reserve which proved inadequate. The "other thing" was coming around regardless because of the viability of such systems became abundantly clear in the interval 2014 to 2022.

And just to get it through again so that you'll stop posting links to every missile system in the world. I'm not against missiles and rockets and LMs, I'm in favour of a balanced force while you seem to be indicating its time to turn all tubed systems into monuments.

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I am not saying to turn tubes into monuments.

I am questioning whether or not you and your guns can get rounds from the factory on target as fast and as cheap as the rocket manufacturers can. Both starting from a standing start of having to create the infrastructure, logistics and training.
 
I am not saying to turn tubes into monuments.

I am questioning whether or not you and your guns can get rounds from the factory on target as fast and as cheap as the rocket manufacturers can. Both starting from a standing start of having to create the infrastructure, logistics and training.
yes we can GIF by Obama

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