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Canada's tanks

I also note that there are no bridging resources in the US Armored Division. These are all concentrated in the three Armored Divisions (Reinforced)

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I believe the Theatre level is where the other assets are held now for that.
V Corps has a number of Army Res and ARNG units that get attached for exercises and presumably operations if needed that have higher level engineering resources.
 
One commentators opinion on where tank design should be going...


His primary (and controversial) premise is:
The role of tanks is now reduced to direct support of infantry units. This requires dispersing and camouflaging them within combat formations and conducting “hit-and-run” attacks—where the attacking vehicle rapidly moves to a firing position, strikes pre-detected targets (or switches to higher-priority targets if identified en route), and then retreats swiftly, blending back into the surrounding landscape.
Whether you agree with that premise or not there are a couple of ideas in the article that are interesting
 
One commentators opinion on where tank design should be going...


His primary (and controversial) premise is:
The role of tanks is now reduced to direct support of infantry units. This requires dispersing and camouflaging them within combat formations and conducting “hit-and-run” attacks—where the attacking vehicle rapidly moves to a firing position, strikes pre-detected targets (or switches to higher-priority targets if identified en route), and then retreats swiftly, blending back into the surrounding landscape.
Whether you agree with that premise or not there are a couple of ideas in the article that are interesting
I don't agree with his premise or the solutions he proposes.

Many of the solutions are both possible and desirable, but as additional capabilities and not as the next generation of armour. His basic premise starts with the concept that UAVs make massing armour and massive breakthroughs impossible. That ignores the possibility for the development of new systems for defeating surveillance (including satellite surveillance) and swarming UAV attacks. It also ignores the fact that if you are wrong about that premise, then you have nothing to fall back on.

The type of roles that he proposes - dispersed, multiple run ups etc - were part of our NATO strategy in the 1970s with Active Defence. It was done by full-fledged tanks, in conjunction with the fledgeling anti-armour missiles systems of the day. All of those are better, but so is everything else and there always needs to be a capability for exploitation through rapid, violent counter-attack or else you relegate yourself to the meat grinder war going on now in Ukraine. Developing the technology to enable tanks to keep doing just that is paramount.

Many of his suggested future uses for tanks in their infantry support role, are better done by cheaper specialized vehicles in the field of anti-tank, air defence or engineering. Some may be on tank chassis, others on lighter vehicles. A lot of the ideas should be, and are being incorporated, into new models. There's no question that we need cheaper, lighter tanks but the core concept for armour is still required.

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This is The Sun being The Sun.

I am, as many of you may recognize, a proponent of amphibiousity. I like the idea of being able to cross a creek without having to call up the Bailey Bridges from the rear of the Corps.

Having said that, I have my limits. And The Sun has found them.

SEA OF STEEL

Watch as huge fleet of terrifying new Chinese ‘tank boats’ takes to water – as Taiwan launches biggest EVER war drills​


Looking at that the only people I could see being terrified are the crews of those vehicles. If they don't get swamped by natural waves then a bunch of 155s in the general vicinity, even without penetrating them, is likely to reduce their numbers.


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I honestly still can't envisage what it would take for China to successfully cross the straits to Taiwan when the whole island (population 23 million) has spent the best part of 80 years preparing for the event.
 
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I honestly still can't envisage what it would take for China to successfully cross the straits to Taiwan when the whole island (population 23 million) has spent the best part of 80 years preparing for the event.
Layman's guess but having watched Russia's advances in Ukraine it appears that if you don't care about losses and you throw enough forward, eventually you will make land simply because those 23 million people have to reload sometime and you can't keep that volume of reloads in the immediate location of your artillery and I doubt if China worries about a few tens of thousands of casualties provided they succeed in establishing a beachhead. (just a guess)
 
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Let's get real, we don't really give a shit about the Pacific anyways, never have and never Will unless we can make money off it. It's not in our sphere of influence and it distracts us from what really matters, the Western Hemisphere and Europe. That's our bread and butter. If there's a war in the Pacific, there's probably also a war in Europe so that should be our main effort.

Layman's guess but having watched Russia's advances in Ukraine it appears that if you don't care about losses and you throw enough forward, eventually you will make land simply because those 23 million people have to reload sometime and you can't keep that volume of reloads in the immediate location of your artillery and I doubt if China worries about a few tens of thousands of casualties provided they succeed in establishing a beachhead. (just a guess)

I seriously doubt that the Chinese are not actually planning on swimming their amphibious assault vehicles across the strait between the two countries. Even a little rough water would swamp those vehicles and send them to the bottom. Plus, artillery raining down on them it would!
 
I seriously doubt that the Chinese are not actually planning on swimming their amphibious assault vehicles across the strait between the two countries. Even a little rough water would swamp those vehicles and send them to the bottom. Plus, artillery raining down on them it would!


Plan B? Or Z? Ships on stilts to make a bridge over troubled waters? More useful targets.

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In other news, according Noah the rumour mill is that DND is planning on spending $5B CAD on a Leopard Life-Extension project.

Not an expert but $5B seems a lot for a Life-Extension project and more like buying new tanks all together.

That, and more, including Canadian Army Re-org plans can be found on his substack: This Week in Defence: Special Rumor Edition (Restructuring, Medium Cavalry, New LAV)


I believe the Australian Army bought 75 new Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 main battle tanks, 29 M1150 assault breacher vehicles, 18 M1074 joint assault bridges and 6 M88A2 combat recovery vehicles for 2.5 Billion USD.

Makes sense that the Canadian Army would spend about the same or more to retrofit our old LEO 2s. I am pretty sure this is simply the ongoing program that saw all the Leo 2A6s go into refit 1-2 years ago now. The entire fleet is supposed to be refit by 2030-2035 I seem to recall.
 
I believe the Australian Army bought 75 new Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 main battle tanks, 29 M1150 assault breacher vehicles, 18 M1074 joint assault bridges and 6 M88A2 combat recovery vehicles for 2.5 Billion USD.

Makes sense that the Canadian Army would spend about the same or more to retrofit our old LEO 2s. I am pretty sure this is simply the ongoing program that saw all the Leo 2A6s go into refit 1-2 years ago now. The entire fleet is supposed to be refit by 2030-2035 I seem to recall.
It's probably a good thing that aren't any major conflicts either happening or just over the horizon then. Right?
Right .....?
 
I seriously doubt that the Chinese are not actually planning on swimming their amphibious assault vehicles across the strait between the two countries. Even a little rough water would swamp those vehicles and send them to the bottom. Plus, artillery raining down on them it would!
There are multitudes of small islands close to the Mainland that make up Taiwan, they will be able to attack those and although Taiwan will resist, they know that they are going to lose those islands.
 
I don't agree with his premise or the solutions he proposes.

Many of the solutions are both possible and desirable, but as additional capabilities and not as the next generation of armour. His basic premise starts with the concept that UAVs make massing armour and massive breakthroughs impossible. That ignores the possibility for the development of new systems for defeating surveillance (including satellite surveillance) and swarming UAV attacks. It also ignores the fact that if you are wrong about that premise, then you have nothing to fall back on.

The type of roles that he proposes - dispersed, multiple run ups etc - were part of our NATO strategy in the 1970s with Active Defence. It was done by full-fledged tanks, in conjunction with the fledgeling anti-armour missiles systems of the day. All of those are better, but so is everything else and there always needs to be a capability for exploitation through rapid, violent counter-attack or else you relegate yourself to the meat grinder war going on now in Ukraine. Developing the technology to enable tanks to keep doing just that is paramount.

Many of his suggested future uses for tanks in their infantry support role, are better done by cheaper specialized vehicles in the field of anti-tank, air defence or engineering. Some may be on tank chassis, others on lighter vehicles. A lot of the ideas should be, and are being incorporated, into new models. There's no question that we need cheaper, lighter tanks but the core concept for armour is still required.

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I don't see tanks getting either heavier or much lighter, but the distribution and type of armour is definitely going to change.
 
Plan B? Or Z? Ships on stilts to make a bridge over troubled waters? More useful targets.

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In true Chinese fashion, a very innovative and ambitious idea I have no doubt they'll successfully pull off...

That being said, talk about a major set of easy to engage targets.
 
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In other news, according Noah the rumour mill is that DND is planning on spending $5B CAD on a Leopard Life-Extension project.

Not an expert but $5B seems a lot for a Life-Extension project and more like buying new tanks all together.

That, and more, including Canadian Army Re-org plans can be found on his substack: This Week in Defence: Special Rumor Edition (Restructuring, Medium Cavalry, New LAV)
$3 per tank to unscrew the builder's plate, or whatever tanks have, remaining funds to replace tertiary, minor items like armour, power pack and drive train, tracks, electronics, and armament.
 
In other news, according Noah the rumour mill is that DND is planning on spending $5B CAD on a Leopard Life-Extension project.

Not an expert but $5B seems a lot for a Life-Extension project and more like buying new tanks all together.

That, and more, including Canadian Army Re-org plans can be found on his substack: This Week in Defence: Special Rumor Edition (Restructuring, Medium Cavalry, New LAV)
It sounds like a cost reflective of what the US does with their M1 referbs. Pull everything off the frame, clean everything, repaint everything, replace everything broken, add on new things that make sense including engines etc...

A full rebuild for lack of a better term on the base frame. One wonders if just new tanks are a better option.
 
75 is a good start...would only need to triple it from there haha.
Reading between the lines on Noah's report- what is old is new again, and the continental RegF RCAC Regiments will be a homogenous fleet of Medium Calvary vehicles, with a training/European deployed stock of 74 completely refurbished tanks.
 
Reading between the lines on Noah's report- what is old is new again, and the continental RegF RCAC Regiments will be a homogenous fleet of Medium Calvary vehicles, with a training/European deployed stock of 74 completely refurbished tanks.
Absolutely brutal. Let's hope that is incorrect or at least the Canadian fleet is tracked too. It is completely different going from wheeled to tracked armoured warfare. The use of terrain and therefore positions of fire and observation are completely different.
 
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