Continental Defence Corvette

[CBH99]

Silly question here, but does this CDC even have to be a manned platform at all??

There has been some pretty significant improvements to unmanned surface ships in recent years, and their ability to employ both offensive and defensive weaponry.

(Even just looking at Ukraine as an example, their use of speedboats-turned-drones has shown the effectiveness of uncrewed naval systems even if it's a rather technologically simple system. It still blows holes in the sides of ships right at the waterline)




In a constabulatory role, having a crew is probably a basic obvious requirement.

But if the intent of the CDC is to be an armed presence more than anything, and intended to prosecute naval targets using the kind of weaponry we currently find on the CPF's... does it actually need to be crewed at all??


(I'm thinking of this issue from a recruiting/training perspective. But then again I suspect the CDC will very likely be used to train sailors up for the 'heavies' the same way the Kingstons are/were?)

 

[Stoker]

Silly question here, but does this CDC even have to be a manned platform at all??

There has been some pretty significant improvements to unmanned surface ships in recent years, and their ability to employ both offensive and defensive weaponry.

(Even just looking at Ukraine as an example, their use of speedboats-turned-drones has shown the effectiveness of uncrewed naval systems even if it's a rather technologically simple system. It still blows holes in the sides of ships right at the waterline)




In a constabulatory role, having a crew is probably a basic obvious requirement.

But if the intent of the CDC is to be an armed presence more than anything, and intended to prosecute naval targets using the kind of weaponry we currently find on the CPF's... does it actually need to be crewed at all??


(I'm thinking of this issue from a recruiting/training perspective. But then again I suspect the CDC will very likely be used to train sailors up for the 'heavies' the same way the Kingstons are/were?)

The RCN is looking at 100 crew for the CDC, of which 15 to 20 are mission specxialists and 20 training bunks with the rest crew. Based on the equipment they want on the ship its going to be difficult to do.

 

[Underway]

How far off is the Type 31 from our requirements? Would it be possible to ice strengthen the hull without a major re-design?

Nope.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Nope.

How about my earlier question on the number of CDC moving up to 20 from 12 in it resulting in few than 15 Rivers being built?

 

[Halifax Tar]

How about my earlier question on the number of CDC moving up to 20 from 12 in it resulting in few than 15 Rivers being built?

No one on these means has that answer, nor would they post it publically.

But I highly doubt it.

 

[Czech_pivo]

No one on these means has that answer, nor would they post it publically.

But I highly doubt it.

Understood. Thanks.

 

[Underway]

The RCN is looking at 100 crew for the CDC, of which 15 to 20 are mission specxialists and 20 training bunks with the rest crew. Based on the equipment they want on the ship its going to be difficult to do.

Mogami does all that and more with the same amount of crew. There are limitations if course. Ship will have to be designed with the idea in mind that help is nearby (continental) and not on the other side of an ocean.

Removing the redundancy from the ship for combat systems ( one Rader, one FCS etc...) and offboarding the monthly maintenance routines and any difficult Corrective Maint will reduce crews. Ops will only be manned minimally (radar watch only) or not at all during normal sailing.

Combat damage control is not a priority. These ships will likely have glass jaws. If the ship survives battle damage they won't be able to fight and do DC, so they'll have to fall out of line IOT fight the internal battle. (Which is different than the RCD which will have the capacity to keep swinging even after taking combat damage, at least that's the plan).

I think 60 core crew doable 98% of the time. If we go full combat load all those 100 seats will be filled.

 

[Underway]

How about my earlier question on the number of CDC moving up to 20 from 12 in it resulting in few than 15 Rivers being built.

Given the RCD program is running for about 20 years and the CDC program is not even funded who the hell knows what future gov't will want to do with these.

 

[Underway]

Silly question here, but does this CDC even have to be a manned platform at all??

There has been some pretty significant improvements to unmanned surface ships in recent years, and their ability to employ both offensive and defensive weaponry.

(Even just looking at Ukraine as an example, their use of speedboats-turned-drones has shown the effectiveness of uncrewed naval systems even if it's a rather technologically simple system. It still blows holes in the sides of ships right at the waterline)




In a constabulatory role, having a crew is probably a basic obvious requirement.

But if the intent of the CDC is to be an armed presence more than anything, and intended to prosecute naval targets using the kind of weaponry we currently find on the CPF's... does it actually need to be crewed at all??


(I'm thinking of this issue from a recruiting/training perspective. But then again I suspect the CDC will very likely be used to train sailors up for the 'heavies' the same way the Kingstons are/were?)

Unscrewed are not there yet.

Likely we will, like other navies, be combining crewed with uncrewed in appropriate roles. The mission sets for the CDC can't be done right ow with uncrewed systems. Like CDC will be launching some UXV to help them in their work.

 

[IKnowNothing]

@Underway - am I off base with the thought that these are more about not being outgunned by the likes of Ivan Papanin's and Icebreakers/Research Vessels/ Freighters with spicy seacans on board rather than something expected to join a TG for conventional peer conflict?

 

[DBNSG]

@Underway - am I off base with the thought that these are more about not being outgunned by the likes of Ivan Papanin's and Icebreakers/Research Vessels/ Freighters with spicy seacans on board rather than something expected to join a TG for conventional peer conflict?

I can see their main jobs being like a Radar Picket ship of WW2 with crew workup responsibilities and flag presence in say the Caribbean off Newf or maybe even the Med or off Africa. I would not be surprised to see its designation become a DE as a true Destroyer escort.