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I think that one is targeting the US's failed Constellation project.
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"Lockheed Martin CMS330 Combat Management System which provides decisive and proven operational performance through an open, inter-operable and highly scale-able fleet wide combat management ecosystem that can support the integration of European sensor and weapon systems."Hmm. Interesting. I wonder what "North American Naval Project" this is aimed at? If it's CDC, it would appear this project has "grown" substantially.
Note the radar in the picture looks like SPY-7... Also note the reference to CMS 330.
Rheinmetall Unveils GMF140 Next-Gen 6,000-Tonne Frigate for North America - Naval News
Rheinmetall unveils the GMF140, a next-gen 6,000-tonne frigate featuring AEGIS, 64 VLS cells, and advanced ASW, targeting North American naval projects.www.navalnews.com
Lockheed Martin Canada's CMS 330.
Other than that, great shout-out for CMS 330.
That's being replaced by a new light frigate class known as FF(X), which will be based on the US Coast Guard’s HII Ingalls Shipbuilding Legend-class National Security Cutter design. So, I still think this is being aimed at CDC, unless there is another NA frigate program (Mexico perhaps?).
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Hmm. Interesting. I wonder what "North American Naval Project" this is aimed at? If it's CDC, it would appear this project has "grown" substantially.
Note the radar in the picture looks like SPY-7... Also note the reference to CMS 330.
Rheinmetall Unveils GMF140 Next-Gen 6,000-Tonne Frigate for North America - Naval News
Rheinmetall unveils the GMF140, a next-gen 6,000-tonne frigate featuring AEGIS, 64 VLS cells, and advanced ASW, targeting North American naval projects.
Based on that Naval News article, it claims the GMF140 is designed to integrate US sourced primary radar options, with AEGIS Combat System; and 64 Strike-Length Vertical Launch System (VLS) cells, and CMS330 Combat Management System targeting North American naval projects?
Targeting North American naval projects ???
The USN has already selected a modified Legend-class National Security Cutter (NSC) design for their new FF(X) frigates (and CMS-330 is not likely of interest to USN).
And at 6,000 tons and 140 meters in length the GMF140 is very oversized for a Canadian Continental Defence Corvette.
Its a bit puzzling as to what Rheinmetall have in mind. Could they be:
- speculating USN may switch from its new FF(X) frigate design, or
- speculating Canada will either upscale its Canadian Continental Defence Corvette, or
- speculating Canada will replace later batches of its Type-26 River Class design?
I can't help but think either the NavalNews article has mistated Rheinmetall's intent, or Rheinmetall is rolling the dice on a long shot.
More on this. Canada is specifically mentioned.Hmm. Interesting. I wonder what "North American Naval Project" this is aimed at? If it's CDC, it would appear this project has "grown" substantially.
Note the radar in the picture looks like SPY-7... Also note the reference to CMS 330.
Rheinmetall Unveils GMF140 Next-Gen 6,000-Tonne Frigate for North America - Naval News
Rheinmetall unveils the GMF140, a next-gen 6,000-tonne frigate featuring AEGIS, 64 VLS cells, and advanced ASW, targeting North American naval projects.
Rheinmetall unveils new GMF 140 guided missile frigate for North American naval programs
Rheinmetall has unveiled the GMF 140 guided missile frigate, a 6,000-tonne surface combatant featuring 64 Strike-Length VLS cells and Aegis integration. Designed for a core crew of 90, the platform combines air defense, anti-submarine warfare, and ballistic missile defense for NATO procurement.
www.armyrecognition.com
Quick Google search shows no sign of a Mexican naval frigate program, and the US is developing the FF(X), so I think this is aimed at CDC. Like I mentioned in my original post, this suggests the Germans are under the impression the 105m restriction may have been lifted.
More again. Reference to "a procurement project in North America."More on this. Canada is specifically mentioned.
Rheinmetall unveils new GMF 140 guided missile frigate for North American naval programs
Rheinmetall has unveiled the GMF 140 guided missile frigate, a 6,000-tonne surface combatant featuring 64 Strike-Length VLS cells and Aegis integration. Designed for a core crew of 90, the platform combines air defense, anti-submarine warfare, and ballistic missile defense for NATO procurement.
Rheinmetall reveals new guided missile frigate
www.navaltoday.com
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An opportunity for CAN / MEX military cooperation?
From the horse's mouth. Interesting details, including what appears to be SPY7, a Mk 45 gun, and RAM launchers, all of which will be employed by the RCN with the RCDs.
www.rheinmetall.com
GMF 140
The GMF 140 is a next-generation guided missile frigate for NATO navies with air and missile defence, anti-submarine warfare and long-range strike capabilities.
www.rheinmetall.com
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That 'soften's this a lot IMHO. The Rheinmetall marketting page states:From the horse's mouth. Interesting details, including what appears to be SPY7, a Mk 45 gun, and RAM launchers, all of which will be employed by the RCN with the RCDs.
GMF 140
The GMF 140 is a next-generation guided missile frigate for NATO navies with air and missile defence, anti-submarine warfare and long-range strike capabilities.
... so its not specifically aimed at North America. Makes me speculate that some naval/military news editors were having some fun with a spin view of their own.
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No sooner did i type that, when I spotted yet another Rheinmetall page:
GMF 140 Frigate for Modern Naval Operations
Rheinmetall GMF 140 is a next-generation frigate with air defence, missile defence and anti-submarine warfare for NATO navies.
www.rheinmetall.com
which states:
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Which is consistent with what Naval News and Army Recognition reported.
So - it reads to me like a big roll of the dice by Rheinmetall . I would wager neither Canada, USA, nor Mexico would pickup on this.
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That's overkill for the CDC. This is up there with the RCD as a destroyer for NATO high end ops.
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No sooner did i type that, when I spotted yet another Rheinmetall page:
GMF 140 Frigate for Modern Naval Operations
Rheinmetall GMF 140 is a next-generation frigate with air defence, missile defence and anti-submarine warfare for NATO navies.
which states:
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Which is consistent with what Naval News and Army Recognition reported.
So - it reads to me like a big roll of the dice by Rheinmetall . I would wager neither Canada, USA, nor Mexico would pickup on this.
If Canada were in the market for a 140m frigate wouldn't it be looking at the Type 31 Arrowhead 140?
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Still waiting to hear about GOC ordering any further long-lead items for the next flight of RCD's - gearboxes, Radar sets, etc....
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Rheinmetall's details on their proposed list of equipment is spars, but if you look at the picture they have a SPY rdar, a BAE gun, a Mk41 VLS, NSM, SLQ-32, SPG-62, Mk 32 SVTT, RAM. What's the common denominator here? All systems that have been integrated or involved with AEGIS or CMS. The biggest impediment to getting ships out the door quick is figuring out the integration and getting new integration through acceptance. That takes a lot longer than people realize. Even if you figure out the 1s and 0s of integrating a new missile system with a new radar and a new CMS, there are literal years of trials and paperwork before they get certified as combat capable. Rheinmetall seems to be offering a solution that is almost "out the door", so that if Canada does decide to renege on Batch 2-3 of RCD, they have an alternative that might just be built and deployed in the same timeframe as the current RCD schedule.
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Well the River Class is 150 meters (about) so at 140 meters a 140 meter frigate its almost as long a a River class. As for the 140 meter long Type-31 ... lol ... in today's political climate of USA unilaterally breaking existing trade agreements to apply tariffs on Canada, and open talk to acquire Greenland or Canada, one could say there is a sentiment not to buy any USA weapon systems nor sensors, ... where I think the Type-31 does not have any major USA systems.
Still, while I am far away in both time served and physical distance from the RCN, I would be surprised to see such Type-31 or GMF-140 too seriously considered by the RCN.
I recall with only quantity 4 DDH-280s, that caused limitations in operations room staff shore training for DDH-280s ... So the more ships the RCN has of one class, so to reduce any proliferation to different classes of warships, the better. Hence my hope is we see quantity 15 River Class of the current Type-26 River Class variant, .... and further if a Continental Defence Corvette program does gain steam for approval, I hope they are all of one class of corvette.
Which is not to say not to have different batches with improvements, but rather try to avoid the DDH-280 training complications of only 4 warships. (Don't get me wrong - I loved the DDH-280s).
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But, why would we?
It is basically the same capability as a RCD with most of the same gear.
Why would we completely change gears?
