Defending Canada from American Military aggression

[MilEME09]

The Minister of Public Safety was caught admiting that is exactly what Carney is doing.

Realistically no government will ever get rid of private guns. Aboriginal hunting rights will always be that last line of defense, and they cant discriminate against non aboriginal either. Theres a thread for this though, and the PSM is an idiot

 

[Haggis]

They said that every decade since the 90s, I doubt it, Carney doesnt seem keen on catering to the anti gun lobby in quebec

At the risk of derailing this thread, I believe we are closer than ever to that eventuality with this government. Gun Grab Gary and his shadow minister Nathalie P have ,moved the file quite quickly in recent months. Now that the SQ have signed on to participate, there will be increased pressure on the OPP and the RCMP out west to "get on with it".

But more of this tangent is for the Gun Control thread, not here.

 

[Halifax Tar]

But more of this tangent is for the Gun Control thread, not here.

It is and it isn't. We're debating how to defend Canada from invasion. The fact is our formed military will be speed bump at best and a wasted expenditure lives at worst.

It will be up to ordinary Canadian and what of us are left to choose which way to go.

And the Gov of the day wants to take away the lions share of tools of that resistance.

 

[Haggis]

And the Gov of the day wants to take away the lions share of tools of that resistance.

And not only from private citizens. A small historical note. The CPC government were the ones to arm CBSA officers beginning in 2006. The Liberals campaigned on reversing that in 2008 and many Liberal supporters and some senior government officials still believe the initiative should be reversed and the responsibility for a lethal force presence at the border should be the sole purview of "real police".

 

[Halifax Tar]

And not only from private citizens. A small historical note. The CPC government were the ones to arm CBSA officers beginning in 2006. The Liberals campaigned on reversing that in 2008 and many Liberal supporters and some senior government officials still believe the initiative should be reversed and the responsibility for a lethal force presence at the border should be the sole purview of "real police".

Stop I don't need more reasons not to vote LPC

 

[Kirkhill]

Armed CBSA
Armed Coast Guard
Armed Park Wardens

What other unionized agencies?

Provincial sheriffs and local costabularies?

 

[Jarnhamar]

If one is ready to defend Canada against American military aggression does that mean they should also look at defending Canada against a government that is making an American invasion easier by removing tools to use for self defence?

 

[McG]

Firearms legislation and gun culture in Canada will not be the difference in the nations survival. If you don't think the CAF can make a relevant difference, a bunch of civilians with assault rifles are not going to do much more against tanks and fighters. But, survival will require delay, and brave civilians can do that quite effectively ... especially against a volunteer army whose members did not join to conquer foreign lands. We will need people who will step-out and do things like the folks in the pictures below, and you can't do those things if you are carrying a rifle.

 

[Haggis]

Armed CBSA

Done, but need more firepower and broader authorities outside of the Customs Controlled Areas.

Armed Coast Guard

MND said that's not on the table, despite that fish cops (a part of DFO) are already armed.

Armed Park Wardens

Done.

What other unionized agencies?

Good question.

Provincial sheriffs and local costabularies?

Provincial sheriffs in some provinces are already armed as are local and provincial constabularies.

 

[MilEME09]

Firearms legislation and gun culture in Canada will not be the difference in the nations survival. If you don't think the CAF can make a relevant difference, a bunch of civilians with assault rifles are not going to do much more against tanks and fighters. But, survival will require delay, and brave civilians can do that quite effectively ... especially against a volunteer army whose members did not join to conquer foreign lands. We will need people who will step-out and do things like the folks in the pictures below, and you can't do those things if you are carrying a rifle.

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Let's be real, if there was any armed resistance, gun owners would be the first ones the Americans go after.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Firearms legislation and gun culture in Canada will not be the difference in the nations survival. If you don't think the CAF can make a relevant difference, a bunch of civilians with assault rifles are not going to do much more against tanks and fighters. But, survival will require delay, and brave civilians can do that quite effectively ... especially against a volunteer army whose members did not join to conquer foreign lands. We will need people who will step-out and do things like the folks in the pictures below, and you can't do those things if you are carrying a rifle.

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How quickly people forget some dudes in man jammies using LE No1 Mk3s, Martinis and some HME were able to continue to bloody our noses long enough to make staying in Afghanistan non viable.

No way in hell can we beat the US in a stand up fight, but we can run an insurgency.

Let's be real, if there was any armed resistance, gun owners would be the first ones the Americans go after.

I expect it will be more Liberal voters the anti-gun crowd pointing me out to save their own skin.

Armed CBSA
Armed Coast Guard
Armed Park Wardens

What other unionized agencies?

Provincial sheriffs and local costabularies?

Brinks ? Garda ?

 

[Kirkhill]

Firearms legislation and gun culture in Canada will not be the difference in the nations survival. If you don't think the CAF can make a relevant difference, a bunch of civilians with assault rifles are not going to do much more against tanks and fighters. But, survival will require delay, and brave civilians can do that quite effectively ... especially against a volunteer army whose members did not join to conquer foreign lands. We will need people who will step-out and do things like the folks in the pictures below, and you can't do those things if you are carrying a rifle.

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You aren't wrong but....

After buddy walked in front of the tank what was the Tiananmen death toll?

Vice Ukraine

I can remember people on this forum mocking some of the pictures for the "toy" guns that some of the combatants were carrying - donated weapons of every calibre and load.

I also remember people gathered around making molotovs in garages.



It is precisely to prevent a repeat of those images that the Danish people demanded their own force separate from the army....to give themselves a fighting chance.

A well-regulated militia, you might call it.

 

[Kirkhill]

How quickly people forget some dudes in man jammies using LE No1 Mk3s, Martinis and some HME were able to continue to bloody our noses long enough to make staying in Afghanistan non viable.

No in hell can we beat the US in a stand up fight, but we can run an insurgency.



I expect it will more be Liberal voters the anti-gun crowd pointing me out to save their own skin.



Brinks ? Garda ?

The issue becomes simple. Who wants to be here most?

The Brits or the Provos?
The Gardai or the UVF?

It doesn't take much to make a place ungovernable and a failed state that can harbour all sorts of anti-establishmentarians.

 

[Czech_pivo]

You aren't wrong but....

After buddy walked in front of the tank what was the Tiananmen death toll?

Vice Ukraine

I can remember people on this forum mocking some of the pictures for the "toy" guns that some of the combatants were carrying - donated weapons of every calibre and load.

I also remember people gathered around making molotovs in garages.

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It is precisely to prevent a repeat of those images that the Danish people demanded their own force separate from the army....to give themselves a fighting chance.

A well-regulated militia, you might call it.

The clip of the woman hanging outside the window with the Molotov and smashing it against a vehicle in a Russian convey and driving off quickly off will always be with me.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The issue becomes simple. Who wants to be here most?

The Brits or the Provos?
The Gardai or the UVF?

It doesn't take much to make a place ungovernable and a failed state that can harbour all sorts of anti-establishmentarians.

I think we could take some lessons from the big fella.

Michael Collins (Irish leader) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Jarnhamar]

Firearms legislation and gun culture in Canada will not be the difference in the nations survival. If you don't think the CAF can make a relevant difference, a bunch of civilians with assault rifles are not going to do much more against tanks and fighters. But, survival will require delay, and brave civilians can do that quite effectively ... especially against a volunteer army whose members did not join to conquer foreign lands. We will need people who will step-out and do things like the folks in the pictures below, and you can't do those things if you are carrying a rifle.

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The Canadian government doesn't trust citizens with "military style" firearms and handguns but those same citizens should be ready to go lay down in front of tanks? That's a hard sell partner.

As for the US being a volunteer army whose members did not join to conquer foreign lands - that hasn't really slowed them down in Afghanistan or Iraq.

A rifle isn't going to stop a tank but they do play havoc on invaders. If we're going to expect our citizens to risk death against invaders we should at least arm them. Or wrap everyone in suicide vests.

Deliberately disarming the public removes one layer of deterrence and resilience. History shows effective resistance is a mix of civilian resolve, varied tactics, and available tools.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I think we could take some lessons from the big fella.

Michael Collins (Irish leader) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Curious to know what you guys think Quebec will be doing in a situation being described? Will they turtle? Will the wreck havoc? Will they be the ‘Chetnicks’, fighting the Americans as well as those loyal to Canada?

 

[Halifax Tar]

The Canadian government doesn't trust citizens with "military style" firearms and handguns but those same citizens should be ready to go lay down in front of tanks? That's a hard sell partner.

As for the US being a volunteer army whose members did not join to conquer foreign lands - that hasn't really slowed them down in Afghanistan or Iraq.

A rifle isn't going to stop a tank but they do play havoc on invaders. If we're going to expect our citizens to risk death against invaders we should at least arm them. Or wrap everyone in suicide vests.

Deliberately disarming the public removes one layer of deterrence and resilience. History shows effective resistance is a mix of civilian resolve, varied tactics, and available tools.

That's pretty much how the Americans won their independence.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Curious to know what you guys think Quebec will be doing in a situation being described? Will they turtle? Will the wreck havoc? Will they be the ‘Chetnicks’, fighting the Americans as well as those loyal to Canada?

They are a wild card...

 

[Kirkhill]

The Canadian government doesn't trust citizens with "military style" firearms and handguns but those same citizens should be ready to go lay down in front of tanks? That's a hard sell partner.

As for the US being a volunteer army whose members did not join to conquer foreign lands - that hasn't really slowed them down in Afghanistan or Iraq.

A rifle isn't going to stop a tank but they do play havoc on invaders. If we're going to expect our citizens to risk death against invaders we should at least arm them. Or wrap everyone in suicide vests.

Deliberately disarming the public removes one layer of deterrence and resilience. History shows effective resistance is a mix of civilian resolve, varied tactics, and available tools.

Plan B is disarm the citizenry then place standard rifles and pistols in local armouries for their use - well regulated.