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Dion loses Outremont to NDP in Quebec bi-election

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I think the final nail has been hammered into Dion's coffin.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20070916%2fque_byelection_070917

Liberal Leader Stephane Dion lost his first electoral test Monday night as the NDP won the Montreal riding of Outremont, while the Conservatives took a seat from the Bloc Quebecois.
In the hotly-contested Outremont riding, NDP candidate Thomas Mulcair managed to maintain his lead over Liberal hopeful Jocelyn Coulon, who had been hand-picked by Dion.

Despite the loss, Dion remained defiant as he addressed Coulon's supporters.

"We don't know when, but there will be general elections and we will win them," he vowed.

Dion then added: "The results of these byelections are not what we hoped for, but with every setback we have the opportunity to learn and grow."

It's only the second time the Liberals have lost the riding since 1935, and analysts said the loss could raise serious questions about Dion's leadership.

One anonymous Liberal MP pointed out to The Canadian Press that the Liberals' current seat-count in Quebec -- 12 of 75 -- is the lowest since Confederation.

"There are going to have to be changes in the leader's entourage," said the MP.

Meanwhile, Conservative candidate Denis Lebel took a commanding lead in the Bloc stronghold of Roberval--Lac-Saint-Jean, eventually taking the seat.

And in the riding of Saint Hyacinthe-Bagot, east of Montreal, the Bloc Quebecois held the riding, with candidate Eve-Mary Thai Thi Lac beating Tory hopeful Bernard Barre.

Dion had helped Coulon campaign in Outremont this past weekend, and brought along two high-profile party members for added help: Hockey Hall of Fame goaltender Ken Dryden and Justin Trudeau.

But Mulcair mounted a strong challenge against Coulon, and polls released last week had shown him leading.

Monday night's results clearly show a wounded leader in Dion, CTV Ottawa bureau chief Robert Fife said.

"Not only did the Liberals fail to hold on to one of the safest Liberal ridings in the country, in Outremont -- outside of Montreal they came in with less than 10 per cent of the vote in a purely francophone riding."

"This is very bad news for the Liberals, and what it says to the rest of the country is, if you have a Quebec leader who can't win in Quebec, why would people in Ontario and the rest of the country vote for Mr. Dion?"

As for the Tories, who won 60 per cent of the vote in Roberval-Lac-Saint-Jean and came in a strong second in the Hyacinth riding:

"What it shows here is that the Liberal party is marginalized outside of Montreal, and it now comes down to the Conservatives as a real federalist force in Quebec outside of Montreal against the separatist Bloc Quebecois."

In the 2006 federal election, the Tories came in second in about 40 ridings outside of Montreal.

Monday's victory marks only the second seat the New Democrats have ever held in Quebec.

"Today, Quebec has chosen a new direction," NDP Leader Jack Layton told supporters in Outremont, and praised them for "making history and changing the direction of politics in Quebec and across Canada."

In the morning, accompanied by Layton, Mulcair had said winning the riding would represent an important milestone for the party.

"For the future we are hoping that what people see here now about the NDP is something that we are going to be able to take to the ballot box, not only in the election here in Quebec but the rest of Canada as well, as people realize we are a national party with representation everywhere," he said.

The Conservatives now hold 126 seats in Parliament, while the Liberals have 96, the Bloc 49 and the NDP 30.

Three seats are held by Independent MPs and four remain vacant.

With reports from CTV Montreal's Herb Luft and Stephane Giroux
 
I can't see Dion lasting to the next election.  It's too bad, because he is Harper's best weapon!  ;D
 
Tories steal seat from Bloc as Liberals lose Outremont
Even before polls close, Liberals begin pointing fingers for failure of Dion's hand-picked candidate
CAMPBELL CLARK AND LAWRENCE MARTIN

From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

September 18, 2007 at 12:00 AM EDT

MONTREAL AND OTTAWA — Stéphane Dion suffered a by-election blow Monday that is expected to cast a shadow over his leadership as the Liberals lost their Outremont stronghold to the NDP and reports of new infighting emerged inside his party. :rofl: :nana: :cheers:

NDP star candidate Thomas Mulcair thrashed Mr. Dion's handpicked standard-bearer, Jocelyn Coulon, and the Conservatives' gain of a Bloc Québécois riding only rubbed salt in the Liberal wounds.

At the same time, a senior official in Mr. Dion's office said they will review allegations from some party activists that backers of deputy leader Michael Ignatieff discouraged some Liberals from working on the Coulon campaign.

The three by-election results – in which the Bloc hung onto the riding of Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot – suggest Quebec's federal political map is being redrawn.

It suggests the Conservatives are the main competition for the separatist Bloc in the largely francophone areas outside Montreal and Western Quebec, with the Liberals unable to reclaim the francophone vote even in Montreal. :cheers:

The NDP, meanwhile, established an important beachhead just as Quebec voters are rethinking their allegiances – it's their first Quebec seat since a one-time by-election in 1990 that will likely see Mr. Mulcair, a former provincial Liberal environment minister, head to Ottawa as lieutenant to NDP Leader Jack Layton.

The Conservatives picked up a long-time Bloc Québécois stronghold in Roberval—Lac-St. Jean. Roberval mayor Denis Lebel won with a stunning 59.4 per cent of the vote, leaving the Bloc's Celine Houde with only 27 per cent.

The Bloc's Ève-Mary Thaï Thi Lac won in St-Hyacinthe—Bagot with 42 per cent, beating Tory Bernard Barré, with 98 per cent of the votes counted.

The Liberals garnered less than 10 per cent of the vote in both those ridings, and was fourth behind the NDP in St-Hyacinthe—Bagot.

But Outremont was the most noteworthy — because it proved to be a debacle for Mr. Dion.

Mr. Mulcair took 48 per cent of the vote, to only 28 per cent for Mr. Coulon, with 98 per cent of the polls counted.

Mr. Dion took the stage last night, :crybaby: with Mr. Ignatieff  >:D nearby, and told the  :o crowd at Mr. Coulon's headquarters that they will remember the by-election when they win a general election. :blotto:

“At that moment … we will remember this night of Sept. 17 and we will say that we Liberals had the fortitude to pass through a difficult moment to rebound for all Canadians,” he said.  :boring:

Mr. Layton,  :D meanwhile, told an ebullient crowd at a St. Laurent Boulevard bar: “You have changed the political face of Quebec – and Canada.”

Some Liberals were insisting even before Mr. Coulon and Mr. Dion conceded defeat that the by-election was a one-off affected by low turnout and a star NDP candidate, and that it did not reflect what would happen in a general election.

But senior Liberals had suggested the riding would be an acid test for his leadership – and there were whispered rumblings that he could face a mounting challenge if he lost, although many doubt he can be forced out.

But there were also reports of allegations of sabotage by rivals and counter-allegations of false scapegoating.

Monday, a senior Liberal said he expects a review of allegations from some party workers that they were discouraged from working on the campaign by organizers they suspect were behind Mr. Ignatieff.

“We're going to have a hard look at this on the political and the internal side,” the official said. “... We can't just brush this away.”

Party workers also revealed Monday that they have been filing complaints to Mr. Dion's office for months about other activities by former members of the Ignatieff team. They include complaints that the Toronto MP's supporters are aggressively campaigning in an attempt to stack the party's national executive with Ignatieff backers when some national executive positions are up for re-election this fall.

They also said that former Ignatieff organizers, who perceive the Liberal leader as weak, have been sending campaigners in an attempt to get Ignatieff supporters nominated to run in the next general election.

In response to the allegations, an Ignatieff spokesperson said: “We're not going to comment on rumours and speculation and anything like that.”

Many Liberals were buzzing Monday with rumours that the Dion and Ignatieff camps are pointing fingers at each other   :argument: – although at least some of Mr. Dion's camp insist they do not believe charges of disloyalty against Mr. Ignatieff's camp.

Members of Mr. Dion's team feel it is to be expected that after a long leadership fight, there will be some trying times on the unity front. They said they were aware Ignatieff backers have been holding meetings in Toronto, but that they have been told they were to raise funds to cover Mr. Ignatieff's campaign debts.

The Outremont seat came open when Paul Martin's Quebec lieutenant, Jean Lapierre, resigned in January. Both Bloc seats were held by high-profile veterans: Yvan Loubier resigned in Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot to run unsuccessfully in the March provincial election, and Michel Gauthier, the party's onetime leader, gave up his Roberval–Lac-Saint-Jean seat to retire from politics.

The Conservatives' win in Roberval–Lac-Saint-Jean is partly ascribed to a popular local candidate, Mr. Lebel. But it also indicates a hardening realignment that sees the federal Conservatives and the provincial Action Démocratique emerging as the chief competition to the separatists outside Montreal.

Outside of Montreal, “there's no doubt that the sovereigntists' adversary is no longer the Liberals,” said Jean-Herman Guay, a University of Sherbrooke political scientist.

Recent provincewide opinion polls show the Tories roughly tied for second with Liberals across the province, considerably behind the Bloc, although many believe that hides different regional battles.

The race in Outremont, a riding in the heart of Montreal that is usually a Liberal bastion, has caused some Quebec Liberals to predict that a loss would place Mr. Dion's leadership in jeopardy – or at least cause some in the party to “make some noise” that would unsettle him, in the words of one MP.

The Liberals have almost always won the riding, home to Montreal's francophone elite. The NDP, meanwhile, launched an all-out blitz to Mr. Mulcair that saw Mr. Layton repeatedly campaign in the riding, hoping that the party could establish a beachhead in the province.

More than 100 Liberals, including Mr. Dion's wife, Janine Krieger, and about a dozen MPs manned the phones in an office behind Mr. Coulon's storefront campaign headquarters. Desks were divided by ethnic community, and multilingual MPs such as Mario Silva and Omar Alghabra called those who speak their language.

“You want it to turn as best you can, so you do whatever you can,” said Toronto MP Ken Dryden, whose status as a Montreal Canadiens hockey legend has not been forgotten in the city. He said the by-elections themselves are perhaps not crucial, but they are being made into major symbols: “They're as big as they are made out to be.”

Across town, Mr. Layton and his communications director, Brad Lavigne, stood in shirtsleeves poring over a riding map when a reporter walked in, plotting out a tour of “zone houses” – neighbourhood mini-headquarters for the organization – to pump up the troops.

At the polls, some voters said they felt problems around Mr. Dion's Liberals. Romeo Vézina, a senior citizen who said he has almost always voted Liberal, said the riding had become harder for the Liberals to win as it was extended east – an area where there are more sovereigntists. But he added that the party and Mr. Dion are having problems now: “He does not have the team he needs to support him,” he said before voting at a Fairmount Street school.

Another voter leaving the polls, Phil Koropotkin, said he's not impressed with Mr. Dion, and switched from past elections: “I've always voted Liberal, but it's time for a change. There's nobody there that stimulates me,” he said. “I think the leadership is in for a rude awakening.”

Before the results came in, the race in Outremont and the weak campaigns in the two other races had some senior Liberals from Quebec arguing it was time for the party to wake up and start aiming a major organizational effort at the province.

This G&M story is particularily cruel, excellent >:D
 
OUTREMONT

Thomas Mulcair, NDP: 11,156 (48.4)

Jocelyn Coulon, Liberal: 6,554 (28.4)

Jean-Paul Gilson, Bloc Quebecois: 2,490 (10.8)

Gilles Duguay, Conservative: 1,907 (8.3)

Francois Pilon, Green: 504 (2.2)

Francois Yo Gourd, neorhino.ca: 141 (0.6)

Mahmood Raza Baig, Independent: 77 (0.3)

Jocelyne Leduc, Independent: 66 (0.3)

Alexandre Amirizian, Canadian Action Party: 43 (0.2)

Romain Angeles, Independent: 42 (0.2)

Regent Millette, Independent: 32 (0.1)

John C. Turmel, Independent: 30 (0.1)

(166 of 168 polls)

– – –

ROBERVAL-LAC-ST-JEAN

Denis Lebel, Conservative: 17,458 (59.4)

Celine Houde, Bloc Quebecois: 7,930 (27.0)

Louise Boulanger, Liberal: 2,806 (9.6)

Eric Dubois, NDP: 675 (2.3)

Jean-Luc Boily, Green: 499 (1.7)

(194 of 194 polls)

– – –

ST-HYACINTHE-BAGOT

Eve-Mary Thai Thi Lac, Bloc Quebecois: 13,443 (42.1)

Bernard Barre, Conservative: 11,965 (37.5)

Brigitte Sansoucy, NDP: 2,538 (7.9)

Jean Caumartin, Liberal: 2,379 (7.4)

Jacques Tetreault, Green: 1,169 (3.7)

Christian Willie Vanasse, neorhino.ca: 384 (1.2)

Michel St-Onge, Canadian Action Party: 71 (0.2)

(224 of 224 polls)

 
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As mincy as Stephane Dion is, I'd rather see him in power than Jack Layton.  Isn't that sad? 

Although, as much as I despise Jack Layton's politics, he's a much stronger leader than Dion.
 
From a personal perspective, Mr Mulclair got elected because of his popularity as an MLA.  His personal bunfight with Mr Charest & subsequent resignation from the Provincial Liberal party on an environmental issue earned him ooldes of brownie points.  People voted against the Consdervatives, against the Block and against the Liberals.  It just happens that the NDP has a star candidate with a highly marketable profile.

I wonder what the participation (voting) rate was for Outremont?
 
Here : http://enr.elections.ca/enr_v2/ElectoralDistricts_e.aspx


Outremont : Voter turnout: 23,938 of 63,728 registered electors (37.6%)

Saint-Hyacinthe--Bagot : Voter turnout: 31,949 of 75,827 registered electors (42.1%)

Roberval--Lac-Saint-Jean  :Voter turnout: 29,368 of 62,894 registered electors (46.7%)
 
So, the larger the turnout, the more support for the Tories....
 
As I thought,  The Outremont isn't so much a vote against the Liberals ... much more a vote for Mr Mulclair.
 
geo said:
As I thought,  The Outremont isn't so much a vote against the Liberals ... much more a vote for Mr Mulclair.

Still a kick in the pants for M. Dion whichever way you slice it.
 
Yup.... should make him pucker up some more.
Suck on this lemon for size :)
 
There is more of a message for Mr. Duceppe in this than for Mr. Dion.  The Liberals have not been a factor in francophone Quebec for many years now,  but the results in St. Hyacinthe and Roberval indicate how far they have fallen.  The Liberal vote, however, did not fall as much as the Bloc's vote did - and that is what harmed the Liberals in Outremont, and almost cost the Bloc two seats, instead of one.  The Bloc vote generally went down by 18%.  In Outremont it went NDP,  in the other ridings it went Tory.

This would seem to indicate that the sovereigntist coalition of left/right that built the BQ is falling apart as it no longer has separatism as it's raison d'etre.  The old Bleu ridings of francophone Quebec are returning to the Tories.  The urban votes remain a challenge for them.  But Mr. Duceppe has as much, if not more, to worry about from last night's results as Mr. Dion has.

One thing that seems to be clear is that the Afghan mission did not drive votes in Francophone Quebec away from the Tories.  
 
je suis prest said:
There is more of a message for Mr. Duceppe in this than for Mr. Dion.  The Liberals have not been a factor in francophone Quebec for many years now,  but the results in St. Hyacinthe and Roberval indicate how far they have fallen.  The Liberal vote, however, did not fall as much as the Bloc's vote did - and that is what harmed the Liberals in Outremont, and almost cost the Bloc two seats, instead of one.  The Bloc vote generally went down by 18%.  In Outremont it went NDP,  in the other ridings it went Tory.

This would seem to indicate that the sovereigntist coalition of left/right that built the BQ is falling apart as it no longer has separatism as it's raison d'etre.  The old Bleu ridings of francophone Quebec are returning to the Tories.  The urban votes remain a challenge for them.  But Mr. Duceppe has as much, if not more, to worry about from last night's results as Mr. Dion has.

One thing that seems to be clear is that the Afghan mission did not drive votes in Francophone Quebec away from the Tories.  

I agree that M. Duceppe has plenty to be worried about also. Mr Layton and Mr Harper are the big winners today.
 
nope, not Layton
The vote was for Mulclair.
 
geo said:
Low voter turnout.

Low confidence in politics, policy and most of all, the actual politicians. Abuse of, and apathy by, the constituents is coming home to roost. Elections won't be won on platforms, but by the party that can convince voters to take 1/2 hour out of their lives to make a difference. Most of today's society is only willing to do that if they can see some sort of personal reward for themselves.
 
recceguy,
Sitting around here (LFQA) I truly did not hear anything about major policy issues - incl Afghanistan & environment.
Considering we are dealing with a minority gov't and the real risk that the gov't might fall with a vote of non confidence after the throne speach Mr Harper has lined up for us, many people just said... why bother?

Also, this whole donnybrook about veils & masks just threw things right over the top.  The electorate will need to see something big before they are willing to come out IMHO
 
geo said:
recceguy,
Sitting around here (LFQA) I truly did not hear anything about major policy issues - incl Afghanistan & environment.
Considering we are dealing with a minority gov't and the real risk that the gov't might fall with a vote of non confidence after the throne speach Mr Harper has lined up for us, many people just said... why bother?

Also, this whole donnybrook about veils & masks just threw things right over the top.  The electorate will need to see something big before they are willing to come out IMHO

Agreed...a by election is one thing...the real test will be if Mulcair can hold the riding when there is a general election. It will be the same in the other ridings as well. I don't know what the coverage was like locally but it took a lot of digging on the internet to find any coverage of the by elections at all.
 
Actually, I would venture that the Greens were a big loser as well.

Usually in by-elections, they do quite well.  And supposedly, with "global warming" an issue, and their supposed growing popularity amongst the electorate, this should have been an opportunity for them.

Yet the closing polls showed that they remain on the fringe.

Oh, that's why!  Elizabeth May threw her support behind Dion!  I see that worked out great for him!  :rofl:
 
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