Divining the right role, capabilities, structure, and Regimental System for Canada's Army Reserves

[daftandbarmy]

Looks similar to the organization of U.S. Army Pentomic Divisions, which lasted about 10 years before being folded up as too unwieldy.

We 'did' the 5 thing in 5 AB Bde, typically for Out of NATO area operations (a.k.a. 'Golly Bashing  ;D).

The usual drill was 2 x Parachute Inf Bns would capture the in theatre airfield and secure the footprint for 3 x Air Landing Inf Bns who would arrive in Hercs.

We practised this a couple of times per year. The rest of the time we never had anything to do with the 'hats' at all. A susual, it all relied for success on the capabilities of a pretty well trained Bde HQ set up.

If there's anything we should make sure we have in place, AFAIC, therefore it is a solid Bde HQ setup that can manage complex operations with multiple moving parts of five or more.

 

[McG]

... So, not everything is negative in your friend's proposal, but I will have to come back later to cover the ideas to build on.  It is late.

coming back to this now ...

I liked that all the battalions were reduced as companies.  This is a much more efficient structure.  But, I do not know that all Ontario (less a few bits on the edge by Manitoba) is a manageable span of control for a single infantry unit HQ (and same for each other branch/Corps). Regardless, companies do need to be the new building block of the Army PRes.

I also like the attempt to more extensively leverage civilian qualifications for trades and professions.  I don't think units can be sustained around the hope of recruiting an adequate pool of such qualified and certified/licensed individuals.  So, that means creating another mechanism to achieve the same. 

I don't know what that mechanism would look like.  Maybe such qualified reservists could be assigned an occupation of the Special Force which, being more narrowly defined, could better conform the civilian trade/profession than would a PRes occupation.  In times of great need, the government could then authorize activation of he Special Force for individual augmentation and then these reservists could be hired into positions under the Special Force occupation.  ... or maybe there is a simpler way to do it.

 

[McG]

As a counter proposal for a 4 Div PRes, here is a relatively inside the box option:

31 Ontario Territorial Battalion Group

• A Sqn Recce, 1st Hussars (RCAC) (London, Sarnia)
• B Sqn Recce, The Windsor Regiment (RCAC) (Windsor)
• A  Bty, 31 RCA (Hamilton, Guelph)
• 31 Engineer Squadron (The Elgin's) (St. Thomas, Waterloo)
• 31 Signal Company (Hamilton, London)
• A Coy Infantry, The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry  (Hamilton)
• B Coy Infantry, The London and Oxford Fusiliers (London)
• C Coy Infantry, The Perth Regiment (Stratford)
• D Coy Infantry, Royal Highland Fusiliers of Canada (Cambridge, Kitchener)
• E Coy Infantry, The Grey and Simcoe Foresters (Owen Sound, Barrie)
• F Coy Infantry, The Essex Kent Scottish (Chatham)
• G Coy Infantry, The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada  (Hamilton)
• 31 S&T Coy (London, Windsor)
• 31 Maint Coy (Hamilton)

32 Ontario Territorial Battalion Group

• A Sqn Recce, The Governor General's Horse Guards (Toronto)
• B Sqn Recce, The Queen's York Rangers (RCAC) (Toronto, Aurora)
• A Bty, Toronto Regiment, 32 RCA (Toronto)
• B Bty, 32 RCA (Brantford, Simcoe, St Catharines)
• 32 Engineer Squadron (Toronto)
• 32 Signal Company (Toronto, Borden)
• A Coy Infantry, The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada (Scarborough)
• B Coy Infantry, The Royal Regiment of Canada (Toronto)
• C Coy Infantry, The Lincoln and Welland Regiment (St. Catherine’s, Welland)
• D Coy Infantry, The Lorne Scots (Brampton, Oakville, Georgetown)
• E Coy Infantry, 48th Highlanders of Canada (Toronto)
• F Coy Infantry,The Toronto Scottish Regiment (Mississauga)
• 32 S&T Coy (Toronto)
• 32 Maint Coy (Toronto)

33 Ontario Territorial Battalion Group

• A Sqn, The Ontario Regiment (RCAC) (Oshawa)
• A Bty, 33 RCA (Ottawa)
• B Bty  (Lanark and Renfrew Scottish), 33 RCA (Pembroke)
• C Bty, 33 RCA (Sault Ste. Marie)
• 33 Engineer Squadron (Ottawa, Orleans)
• 33 Signal Company (Ottawa)
• A Coy Infantry, Governor General's Foot Guards (Ottawa)
• B Coy Infantry, The Princess of Wales' Own Regiment (Kingston)
• C Coy Infantry, The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment (Belleville, Cobourg, Peterborough)
• D Coy Infantry, The Brockville Rifles (Brockville)
• E Coy Infantry, Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders (Cornwall)
• F Coy Infantry,The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa  (Ottawa)
• G Coy Infantry, The Algonquin Regiment (North Bay, Timmins)
• H Coy Infantry, Irish Regiment of Canada (Sudbury)
• 33 S&T Coy (North Bay, Sault Ste Marie)
• 33 Maint Coy (Ottawa)

And for (just a little) less inside the box there is this:

Canadian Guards

• Ceremonial Guard
• A Bty, Canadian Guards Artillery, RCA (Ottawa)
• A Sqn Recce, The Governor General's Horse Guards (Toronto)
• A Coy Infantry, Governor General's Foot Guards (Ottawa)
• B Coy Infantry, The Canadian Grenadier Guards (Montreal)
• S&T Coy (Ottawa)

Ontario Scottish and Highland Regiment

• A Coy Infantry, The Essex Kent Scottish (Chatham)
• B Coy Infantry, The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada  (Hamilton)
• C Coy Infantry, 48th Highlanders of Canada (Toronto)
• D Coy Infantry, Royal Highland Fusiliers of Canada (Cambridge, Kitchener)
• E Coy Infantry, Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders (Cornwall)
• F Coy Infantry,The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa (Ottawa)
• G Coy Infantry, The Lorne Scots (Brampton, Oakville, Georgetown)
• H Coy Infantry,The Toronto Scottish Regiment (Mississauga)
• M Coy Mortars, Lanark and Renfrew Scottish (Pembroke)
• S&T Coy (Hamilton)

Western Ontario Regiment (4th Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment)

• A Sqn Recce, 1st Hussars (RCAC) (London, Sarnia)
• B Sqn Recce, The Windsor Regiment (RCAC) (Windsor)
• A Coy Infantry, The London and Oxford Fusiliers (London)
• B Coy Infantry, The Elgin Regiment (St Thomas)
• C Coy Infantry, The Perth Regiment (Stratford)
• D Coy Infantry, The Grey and Simcoe Foresters (Owen Sound, Barrie)
• S&T Coy (London, Windsor)

5th Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment

• A Sqn Recce, The Queen's York Rangers (RCAC) (Toronto, Aurora)
• A Coy Infantry, The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada (Scarborough)
• B Coy Infantry, The Royal Regiment of Canada (Toronto)
• C Coy Infantry, The Lincoln and Welland Regiment (St. Catherine’s, Welland)
• D Coy Infantry, The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry (Hamilton)
• M Coy Mortars (St Catharines)
• S&T Coy (Toronto)

6th Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment

• A Sqn, The Ontario Regiment (RCAC) (Oshawa)
• A Coy Infantry, Irish Regiment of Canada (Sudbury)
• B Coy Infantry, The Princess of Wales' Own Regiment (Kingston)
• C Coy Infantry, The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment (Belleville, Cobourg, Peterborough)
• D Coy Infantry, The Brockville Rifles (Brockville)
• E Coy Infantry, The Algonquin Regiment (North Bay, Timmins)
• S&T Coy (North Bay, Sault Ste Marie)

4 Field Artillery Regiment

• A Bty, Toronto Regiment, RCA (Toronto)
• B Bty, RCA (Brantford, Simcoe)
• C Bty, RCA (Sault Ste. Marie)
• D Bty, RCA (Hamilton, Guelph)

4 Field Engineer Regiment

• 1 Fd Sqn (London, Windsor)
• 2 Fd Sqn (Toronto)
• 3 Fd Sqn (Ottawa, Orleans)
• 4 Fd Sqn (Hamilton, Waterloo)

4 Signals Regiment

• 31 Signal Company (Hamilton, London)
• 32 Signal Company (Toronto, Borden)
• 33 Signal Company (Ottawa, Kingston)

4 Maintenance Battalion

• 31 Maint Coy (London, Hamilton)
• 32 Maint Coy (Ottawa, Prescott)
• 33 Maint Coy (Toronto)

 

[daftandbarmy]

As a counter proposal for a 4 Div PRes, here is a relatively inside the box option:And for (just a little) less inside the box there is this:

Kill a truck load of kittens. It would generate less outrage.

 

[McG]

I know.  Everyone needs a LCol for the glory of the regiment.

 

[Rifleman62]

Have all the CO's and DCO's plus some of the senior posns RegF thus clearing out some of the HQ's.

If the posns were RegF, the likely scenario would be new RegF estb posns allowing more posns to be promoted into.That's how things work isn't it? ;D

 

[Kirkhill]

31 Ontario Territorial Battalion Group
31 Maint Coy (Hamilton)

31 Signal Company (Hamilton, London)
31 S&T Coy (London, Windsor)

A  Bty, 31 RCA (Hamilton, Guelph)

31 Engineer Squadron (The Elgin's) (St. Thomas, Waterloo)
A Sqn Recce, 1st Hussars (RCAC) (London, Sarnia)
B Sqn Recce, The Windsor Regiment (RCAC) (Windsor)

A Coy Infantry, The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry  (Hamilton)
B Coy Infantry, The London and Oxford Fusiliers (London)
C Coy Infantry, The Perth Regiment (Stratford)
D Coy Infantry, Royal Highland Fusiliers of Canada (Cambridge, Kitchener)
E Coy Infantry, The Grey and Simcoe Foresters (Owen Sound, Barrie)
F Coy Infantry, The Essex Kent Scottish (Chatham)
G Coy Infantry, The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada  (Hamilton)



32 Ontario Territorial Battalion Group
32 Maint Coy (Toronto)

32 Signal Company (Toronto, Borden)
32 S&T Coy (Toronto)

A Bty, Toronto Regiment, 32 RCA (Toronto)
B Bty, 32 RCA (Brantford, Simcoe, St Catharines)

32 Engineer Squadron (Toronto)
A Sqn Recce, The Governor General's Horse Guards (Toronto)
B Sqn Recce, The Queen's York Rangers (RCAC) (Toronto, Aurora)

A Coy Infantry, The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada (Scarborough)
B Coy Infantry, The Royal Regiment of Canada (Toronto)
C Coy Infantry, The Lincoln and Welland Regiment (St. Catherine’s, Welland)
D Coy Infantry, The Lorne Scots (Brampton, Oakville, Georgetown)
E Coy Infantry, 48th Highlanders of Canada (Toronto)
F Coy Infantry,The Toronto Scottish Regiment (Mississauga)



33 Ontario Territorial Battalion Group
33 Maint Coy (Ottawa)

33 Signal Company (Ottawa)
33 S&T Coy (North Bay, Sault Ste Marie)

A Bty, 33 RCA (Ottawa)
B Bty  (Lanark and Renfrew Scottish), 33 RCA (Pembroke)
C Bty, 33 RCA (Sault Ste. Marie)

33 Engineer Squadron (Ottawa, Orleans)
A Sqn, The Ontario Regiment (RCAC) (Oshawa)

A Coy Infantry, Governor General's Foot Guards (Ottawa)
B Coy Infantry, The Princess of Wales' Own Regiment (Kingston)
C Coy Infantry, The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment (Belleville, Cobourg, Peterborough)
D Coy Infantry, The Brockville Rifles (Brockville)
E Coy Infantry, Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders (Cornwall)
F Coy Infantry,The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa  (Ottawa)
G Coy Infantry, The Algonquin Regiment (North Bay, Timmins)
H Coy Infantry, Irish Regiment of Canada (Sudbury)

Same battle order McG.  Just slightly rearranged. 

 

[Kirkhill]

31 Ontario Territorial Battalion Group
31 Maint Coy (Hamilton)

31 Signal Company (Hamilton, London)
31 S&T Coy (London, Windsor)
31 Engineer Squadron (The Elgin's) (St. Thomas, Waterloo)
A Sqn Recce, 1st Hussars (RCAC) (London, Sarnia)
B Sqn Recce, The Windsor Regiment (RCAC) (Windsor)

A Coy Infantry, The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry  (Hamilton)
B Coy Infantry, The London and Oxford Fusiliers (London)
C Coy Infantry, The Perth Regiment (Stratford)
D Coy Infantry, Royal Highland Fusiliers of Canada (Cambridge, Kitchener)
E Coy Infantry, The Grey and Simcoe Foresters (Owen Sound, Barrie)
F Coy Infantry, The Essex Kent Scottish (Chatham)
G Coy Infantry, The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada  (Hamilton)

A  Bty, 31 RCA (Hamilton, Guelph)

32 Ontario Territorial Battalion Group
32 Maint Coy (Toronto)

32 Signal Company (Toronto, Borden)
32 S&T Coy (Toronto)
32 Engineer Squadron (Toronto)
A Sqn Recce, The Governor General's Horse Guards (Toronto)
B Sqn Recce, The Queen's York Rangers (RCAC) (Toronto, Aurora)

A Coy Infantry, The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada (Scarborough)
B Coy Infantry, The Royal Regiment of Canada (Toronto)
C Coy Infantry, The Lincoln and Welland Regiment (St. Catherine’s, Welland)
D Coy Infantry, The Lorne Scots (Brampton, Oakville, Georgetown)
E Coy Infantry, 48th Highlanders of Canada (Toronto)
F Coy Infantry,The Toronto Scottish Regiment (Mississauga)

A Bty, Toronto Regiment, 32 RCA (Toronto)
B Bty, 32 RCA (Brantford, Simcoe, St Catharines)

33 Ontario Territorial Battalion Group
33 Maint Coy (Ottawa)

33 Signal Company (Ottawa)
33 S&T Coy (North Bay, Sault Ste Marie)
33 Engineer Squadron (Ottawa, Orleans)
A Sqn, The Ontario Regiment (RCAC) (Oshawa)

A Coy Infantry, Governor General's Foot Guards (Ottawa)
B Coy Infantry, The Princess of Wales' Own Regiment (Kingston)
C Coy Infantry, The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment (Belleville, Cobourg, Peterborough)
D Coy Infantry, The Brockville Rifles (Brockville)
E Coy Infantry, Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders (Cornwall)
F Coy Infantry,The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa  (Ottawa)
G Coy Infantry, The Algonquin Regiment (North Bay, Timmins)
H Coy Infantry, Irish Regiment of Canada (Sudbury)

A Bty, 33 RCA (Ottawa)
B Bty  (Lanark and Renfrew Scottish), 33 RCA (Pembroke)
C Bty, 33 RCA (Sault Ste. Marie)

And a further realignment.

 

[McG]

Same battle order McG.  Just slightly rearranged. 

And a further realignment.

I sense there is a message here, but I cannot make it out.

 

[Kirkhill]

Sorry man. 

Me being obtuse again.

My sense of the situation is that in a Reserve capacity one of the first responsibilities of the command is maintenance of its assigned assets.  Therefore the Maintenance element should be properly manned as a priority - and probably with full time personnel.  Now whether they are civvies providing service "out of the line of fire" or people that are willing to do the job while being shot at and what the relative ratios are is a point that provides for hours of interesting debate here and elsewhere.

The next grouping essentially provides a flying squad for the local command element that can be despatched easily in the area to tackle short notice emergencies - and not necessarily shooting emergencies.  A deployable comms element, a significant transport capability and an ability to assist the police by conducting patrols and recconnaissance during a Highwood flood, as well as an engineering group to permit small scale mobility problems to be solved with pontoons, rope bridges and zodiacs seem to me to be a useful amalgamation capabilities that would be useful both in civil emergencies and in military situations.

The artillery and the infantry are interesting to me.

In war the infantry will sustain the brunt of the casualties and the artillery will inflict them.  In peace neither one of their skills are in particularly high demand.  Their primary advantage to the government is they provide a pool of trained, disciplined, organized manpower that can be tapped to provide local security, or riot forces, or help old ladies and their dogs off of roofs.

In war, or when fighting the government is going to be happier inflicting casualties than having them inflicted.  Equally, in war, the deployed regulars will be looking for a thickening of the gun lines.  Consequently, in war, I can see that the first units available in a reserve area that will be called to arms are likely to be the gunners.

The next units, in war, would likely be the flying squad troops for line of communications duties.

The third group of units would then be the infantry - initially assigned to base security and, along with the armoured and transport troops, assigned to convoy protection duties.  At least until acclimatized at which point they would start making up the developing gaps in the reg forces' ranks.

In peace the gunners are the least utilitarian troops when considered in their primary trade.  In war they are likely to be in greatest demand.

Maintenance troops are in demand in peace and war (may be moreso in peace).

Mobile troops, with or without weapons, can always find a role (but they don't always need a LAV or a TAPV to make a difference - often 5 tonnes, Pickups, Jeeps and vehicles like the Bv206 are all that are needed, and deployable).

The infantry,  as described by Pvt Pook, Sugar Coy, 1 Para - remain Her Majesty's Odd Job Men.  Capable of filling any gaps in any plan where manpower is required.

Cheers.

 

[Kirkhill]

PS before any wearers of Red Berries call me out on it.  The Pook above served in Palestine in 1947.  It wasn't me.

 

[McG]

I see.  I was just going for the much simpler illustration that we can keep all these regiments (even revive a few that went away in the 50s and 60s) while still transitioning to a more efficient and effective structure.

 

[Kirkhill]

No disagreement on that point.

And no disagreement on "assymetric" group structures.  Symmetry is vastly over-rated.

 

[daftandbarmy]

No disagreement on that point.

And no disagreement on "assymetric" group structures.  Symmetry is vastly over-rated.

Except where women's breasts are concerned, of course.  :nod:

 

[MilEME09]

No disagreement on that point.

And no disagreement on "assymetric" group structures.  Symmetry is vastly over-rated.

Not to mention it doesn't always work to have a symmetrical structure

 

[McG]

Extrapolating the above 4 Div organization across the country might produce something like this:

3 Canadian Division Reserves

The British Columbia Regiment

• A Sqn Recce, The Duke of Connaught's Own Rifles (Vancouver)
• B Sqn Recce, The British Columbia Dragoons (Kelowna and Vernon)
• A Coy Infantry, The Vancouver Regiment (Irish Fusiliers of Canada) (Vancouver)
• B Coy Infantry, The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada (Vancouver)
• C Coy Infantry, The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary's) (Victoria, Nanaimo, Comox)
• D Coy Infantry, The Rocky Mountain Rangers (Kamloops, Prince George)
• E Coy Infantry, The Royal Westminster Regiment (New Westminster, Chilliwack)
• M Coy Mortars, RCA (Vancouver)
• 39 S&T Coy (Richmond)
• 39 Maint Coy (Victoria)
• 39 Signal Coy (Victoria, Nanaimo)

The Alberta Regiment (4th Battalion, PPCLI)

• A Sqn Recce, The South Alberta Light Horse (Medicine Hat)
• B Sqn Recce, The Alberta Dragoons (Edmonton)
• C Sqn Recce, The King's Own Calgary Regiment (Calgary)
• A Coy Infantry, The Loyal Edmonton Regiment (Edmonton,)
• B Coy Infantry, The Calgary Highlanders (Calgary)
• M Coy Mortars, RCA (Red Deer)

The Central Canada Regiment

• A Sqn Recce, The Fort Garry Horse (Winnipeg)
• B Sqn Recce, The Saskatchewan Dragoons (Moose Jaw)
• A Coy Infantry, The Royal Regina Rifles (Regina)
• B Coy Infantry, The Royal Winnipeg Rifles (Winnipeg)
• C Coy Infantry, The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders of Canada (Winnipeg)
• D Coy Infantry, The North Saskatchewan Regiment (Saskatoon, Prince Albert)
• E Coy Infantry, The Lake Superior Scottish Regiment (Thunder Bay)
• M Coy Mortars, RCA (Kenora)

The Canadian Arctic Regiment

• A Coy Infantry, The Yellowknife Regiment (Yellowknife)
• B Coy Infantry, The Yukon Regiment (Whitehorse)

3 Field Artillery Regiment

• A Bty, RCA (Regina)
• B Bty, RCA (Brandon)
• C Bty, RCA (Lethbridge)
• D Bty, RCA (Edmonton)
• E Bty, RCA (Victoria)
• F Bty, RCA (Nanaimo)

3 Field Engineer Regiment 

• 1 Fd Sqn (Edmonton)
• 2 Fd Sqn (Trail)
• 3 Fd Sqn (Winnipeg)
• 4 Fd Sqn (Saskatoon)
• 5 Fd Sqn (Calgary)

3 Engineer Support Regiment 

• 1 Fd Sqn (Vancouver)
• 2 B&R Sqn (Chilliwack)
• 3 Const Sqn (Abbotsford)

3 Signal Regiment 

• 38 Signal Coy (Regina, Saskatoon)
• 40 Signal Coy (Vancouver)
• 41 Signal Company (Edmonton)
• 42 Signal Coy (Winnipeg, Thunder Bay)

3 Maintenance Battalion

• 41 Maint Coy (Edmonton)
• 38 Maint Coy (Winnipeg)

3 Supply & Transport Battalion

• 38 S&T Coy (Thunder Bay)
• 40 S&T Coy (Edmonton)
• 41 S&T Coy (Calgary)
• 42 S&T Coy (Saskatoon)

4 Canadian Division Reserves

Canadian Guards

• Ceremonial Guard
• A Bty, Canadian Guards Artillery, RCA (Ottawa)
• A Sqn Recce, The Governor General's Horse Guards (Toronto)
• B Sqn Recce, 4th Princess Louise Dragoon Guards (Kanata)
• A Coy Infantry, Governor General's Foot Guards (Ottawa)
• B Coy Infantry, The Canadian Grenadier Guards (Montreal)
• S&T Coy (Ottawa)

Ontario Scottish and Highland Regiment

• A Coy Infantry, The Essex Kent Scottish (Chatham)
• B Coy Infantry, The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada  (Hamilton)
• C Coy Infantry, 48th Highlanders of Canada (Toronto)
• D Coy Infantry, Royal Highland Fusiliers of Canada (Cambridge, Kitchener)
• E Coy Infantry, Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders (Cornwall)
• F Coy Infantry,The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa (Ottawa)
• G Coy Infantry, The Lorne Scots (Brampton, Oakville, Georgetown)
• H Coy Infantry,The Toronto Scottish Regiment (Mississauga)
• M Coy Mortars, Lanark and Renfrew Scottish (Pembroke)
• S&T Coy (Hamilton)

Western Ontario Regiment (4th Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment)

• A Sqn Recce, 1st Hussars (RCAC) (London, Sarnia)
• B Sqn Recce, The Windsor Regiment (RCAC) (Windsor)
• A Coy Infantry, The London and Oxford Fusiliers (London)
• B Coy Infantry, The Elgin Regiment (St Thomas)
• C Coy Infantry, The Perth Regiment (Stratford)
• D Coy Infantry, The Grey and Simcoe Foresters (Owen Sound, Barrie)
• S&T Coy (London, Windsor)

5th Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment

• A Sqn Recce, The Queen's York Rangers (RCAC) (Toronto, Aurora)
• A Coy Infantry, The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada (Scarborough)
• B Coy Infantry, The Royal Regiment of Canada (Toronto)
• C Coy Infantry, The Lincoln and Welland Regiment (St. Catherine’s, Welland)
• D Coy Infantry, The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry (Hamilton)
• M Coy Mortars (St Catharines)
• S&T Coy (Toronto)

6th Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment

• A Sqn, The Ontario Regiment (RCAC) (Oshawa)
• A Coy Infantry, Irish Regiment of Canada (Sudbury)
• B Coy Infantry, The Princess of Wales' Own Regiment (Kingston)
• C Coy Infantry, The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment (Belleville, Cobourg, Peterborough)
• D Coy Infantry, The Brockville Rifles (Brockville)
• E Coy Infantry, The Algonquin Regiment (North Bay, Timmins)
• S&T Coy (North Bay, Sault Ste Marie)

4 Field Artillery Regiment

• A Bty, Toronto Regiment, RCA (Toronto)
• B Bty, RCA (Brantford, Simcoe)
• C Bty, RCA (Sault Ste. Marie)
• D Bty, RCA (Hamilton, Guelph)

4 Field Engineer Regiment

• 1 Fd Sqn (London, Windsor)
• 2 Fd Sqn (Toronto)
• 3 Fd Sqn (Ottawa, Orleans)
• 4 Fd Sqn (Hamilton, Waterloo)

4 Signals Regiment

• 31 Signal Company (Hamilton, London)
• 32 Signal Company (Toronto, Borden)
• 33 Signal Company (Ottawa, Kingston)

4 Maintenance Battalion

• 31 Maint Coy (London, Hamilton)
• 32 Maint Coy (Ottawa, Prescott)
• 33 Maint Coy (Toronto)

2 Canadian Division Reserves

4e Bataillon, Royal 22e Régiment

• A Sqn Recce, The Royal Canadian Hussars (Montreal)
• Esc B, Régiment de Hull (RCAC) (Gatineau)
• A Coy Infantry, Royal Montreal Regiment (Montreal)
• B Coy Infantry, The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada (Montreal)
• Cie C infanterie, Fusiliers Mont-Royal (Montreal)
• Cie D infanterie, Le Régiment de Châteauguay (Laval)
• Cie E infanterie, Le Régiment de St.-Hyacinthe (St.-Hyacinthe)
• Cie F infanterie, Le Régiment de St.-Hyacinthe (Drummondville)
• Cie G infanterie, Le Régiment de Maisonneuve (Montreal)

5e Bataillon, Royal 22e Régiment

• Esc A, 12e Régiment blindé du Canada (Trois-Rivières)
• Esc B, The Sherbrooke Hussars (Sherbrooke)
• Cie A infanterie, Voltigeurs de Québec (Québec)
• Cie B infanterie, Les Fusiliers du St-Laurent (Rimouski)
• Cie C infanterie, Le Régiment de la Chaudière (Lévis)
• Cie D infanterie, Régiment du Saguenay (Saguenay)
• Cie E infanterie, Les Fusiliers de Sherbrooke (Sherbrooke)

2e Régiment d’artillerie de campagne

• Bty A, ARC (Montreal)
• Bty B, ARC (Shawinigan)
• Bty C, ARC (Lévis, Val-Bélair, Montmagny)

2e Régiment de génie de campagne

• 1e Escadron de Génie (Montreal)
• 2e Escadron de Génie (Québec)
• 3e Escadron de Génie (Rouyn)

2e Régiment des transmissions

• 35 Escadron des transmissions (Québec and Sherbrooke)
• 34 Escadron des transmissions (Montreal)

2 Maintenance Battalion

• 35 Maint Coy (Québec)
• 34 Maint Coy (Montreal)

2 Supply & Transport Battalion

• 35 S&T Coy (Québec)
• 34 S&T Coy (St Hubert)

5 Canadian Division Reserves

The Royal New Brunswick Regiment 

• A Sqn Recce, 8th Canadian Hussars (Moncton)
• B Sqn Recce, The Prince Edward Island Regiment (Charlottetown)
• A Coy Infantry, The Carleton and York Regiment (Fredericton)
• B Coy Infantry, The North Shore Regiment (Bathurst)
• C Coy Infantry, The Carleton and York Regiment (Grand Falls)

The Nova Scotia Regiment

• A Sqn Recce, The Halifax Rifles (RCAC) (Halifax)
• A Coy Infantry, The Nova Scotia Highlanders (Truro)
• B Coy Infantry, The Cape Breton Highlanders (Sydney)
• C Coy Infantry, The Princess Louise's Fusiliers (Halifax)
• D Coy Infantry, The West Nova Scotia Regiment (Kentville)

The Royal Newfoundland Regiment

• A Coy Infantry (St. John’s)
• B Coy Infantry (Corner Brook)
• 56 Engineer Squadron (St. John’s)
• 37 S&T Coy (St. John’s)
• 37 Signal Coy (St. John’s)

5 Field Artillery Regiment

• A Bty, RCA (Halifax)
• B Bty, RCA (Yarmouth)
• C Bty, RCA (Saint John)

5 Field Engineer Regiment

• 1 Engineer Squadron (Fredericton)
• 2 Engineer Squadron (Sydney)
• 3 Engineer Squadron (Halifax)

5 Signals Regiment

• 1 Signal Company (Halifax, Glace Bay)
• 2 Signal Company (Saint John, Charlottetown)

36 Service Battalion

• 1 S&T Coy (Saint John)
• 2 S&T Coy (Sydney)
• 36 Maint Coy (Halifax)

 

[The Bread Guy]

Extrapolating the above 4 Div organization across the country might produce something like this ....

Interesting model.  I'm curious why you grouped some S&T Coy's with Regiments, and clustered others with more of their own.

 

[McG]

Interesting model.  I'm curious why you grouped some S&T Coy's with Regiments, and clustered others with more of their own.

Various reasons.  BC and NFLD are separated by more than distance from neighbors because of the shape of geography; so geographic groupings make more sense than functional.  In other places, it is a balance of functional groupings to support training or providing resources to do a sort of Admin Coy function in the maneuver regiments.  Mostly, by throwing in a mix of options this illustrates that (for at least some things) there may be more than one right answer.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The Elgins are engineers not infantry.

The Essex and Kent is HQd in Windsor with A Coy. I don't see them listed. The Chatham location is the outlying Coy.

The E&K and Windsor Reg't are co-located. It makes more sense to keep them together, to train together, which they do quite frequently.

Why do we need a special grouping for Highland Regiments?

 

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The Elgins are engineers not infantry.

The Essex and Kent is HQd in Windsor with A Coy. I don't see them listed. The Chatham location is the outlying Coy.

Nothing there that I don't know.  I am not describing what is.  I am showing what could be.

Where Windsor and London have schools that teach engineering, they are better locations for an engineer unit than St Thomas.  Rather than over-saturate Windsor with PRes, the E&K persist only in their Chatham location.  This also leaves the Elgins without a role - they could go back to Armd Recce, but there already is a lot of that ... so, infantry.

Why do we need a special grouping for Highland Regiments?

I am not saying we need - it is just an idea.  When I first posted options for 4 Div, the highland grouping was only in the second model. But, I think Highlanders see themselves as something special ... Maybe an ego stroke of their own grouping keeps them happy.