Hamas invaded Israel 2023

[Colin Parkinson]

Sorry, what? Yeah, obviously Saddam was horrendous. That’s completely irrelevant to abuses of prisoners by other countries that hold themselves to a higher standard. What happened in Abu Ghraib under American control was awful, independent of any other comparator. It sounds like other awful stuff may have been happening at this Israeli facility, and the Israeli military still has a lot of ethical professionals who aren’t OK with that. Sounds like the Israelis may have had a problem that’s now blowing up in their face. This is not a distraction they need, nor do they need the discipline and professionalism of their troops called into question.

Abu Ghraib was brought up. What happened there under the Americans is nothing compared to the horrific horrors a generation of victims suffered.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

If I recall there are ultra-orthodox battalions.

Netzah Yehuda Battalion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Brad Sallows]

Not sure concentrating people in units where their own values can more easily supercede military values is the way to go.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Netzah Yehuda Battalion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So reading that, they have committed this exact same crime previously against a Palestinian detainee.


“In 2021, Israeli Military Police arrested four soldiers from the battalion on suspicion of beating and sexually assaulting a Palestinian suspect, after a military doctor examined him as part of the arrest procedure and found signs of violence on his body, leading to the investigation. The Palestinian detainee was held by troops in the back of a military vehicle after his arrest in the West Bank, and was allegedly beaten en-route to an army base”


And in a separate set of incidents:

“According to a report in Ynet, the judges noted the violence against the Palestinian prisoners did not occur out of anger, but “was violence for its own sake.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-soldier-gets-9-months-for-torturing-palestinian-detainee/

There’s a serious leadership fail in the IDF.