You must not have purchased any appliances in the last 15 - 20 years. Sales staff openly say they don't expect most appliances to last more than 7-10 years. Ironically, PV panels are virtually guaranteed to last longer than any appliance in your home.
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You must not have purchased any appliances in the last 15 - 20 years. Sales staff openly say they don't expect most appliances to last more than 7-10 years. Ironically, PV panels are virtually guaranteed to last longer than any appliance in your home.
It is part of the future. Just not for personal transportation. The market has spoken on that one. A huge part of the reason Japanese automakers are struggling is because their government pushed their auto sector to bet on hydrogen and it never panned out. Unfortunately for them, nobody really got behind building the infrastructure to really distribute hydrogen. Meanwhile, you can charge an EV off a 110V outlet. It'll be slow and take all night to cover your commute. But it can be done. This makes charging an EV infinitely easier than filling up a hydrogen vehicle.
Hydrogen will probably end up being used by rail, long haul trucking, shipping, etc. Sectors where infrastructure investment is minimized by requiring far fewer fueling stations.
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some are becoming net storage batteries
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Electrical Power Output: 1 kW, 60 Hz, 120 vAC
Thermal Output: 6.5 kW (22,178 BTU)
Fuel Type: Natural Gas, Propane
Fuel Consumption: 26 cubic feet/hour (natural gas)
Overall Efficiency: 95%
On-Grid power generation
Microgen Stirling Engine Lifetime: 50,000 hours
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Now talk to me about E-Bikes and Go-Karts along with my gasoline powered Jeep.
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That's a 5 year lifespan running 24/7
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Electrical Power Output: 1 kW, 60 Hz, 120 vAC
Thermal Output: 6.5 kW (22,178 BTU)
Fuel Type: Natural Gas, Propane
Fuel Consumption: 26 cubic feet/hour (natural gas)
Overall Efficiency: 95%
On-Grid power generation
Microgen Stirling Engine Lifetime: 50,000 hours
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Now talk to me about E-Bikes and Go-Karts along with my gasoline powered Jeep.
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The future 10-15+ year market has spoken? I missed that, my Tardis was down for repairs.
But government mandating EV while ignoring electrical infrastructure is a winning proposition?
Yeah, this lady sure had a challenge filling her H2 car.
Haven’t seen anyone ever tally up a cost for all the Fast DC chargers across the world…
Are you able to translate that from Trump-ese to English for us? How big is big? What are the key performance indicators for loss?
Interesting to see folks tear into existing ICE and say that EV is the way of the future, but so quick to tear into post-EV future technology on the basis that existing chemical storage EV technology will be the be all to end all for personal transportation. Chemical-storage EVs will be the future’s ICE-like pariah.
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how many hydrogen powered cars on the market today? How many were on the market 5 years ago? How many are planned for 5 yrs from now?
Doesnt seem that controversial a statement to say that battery powered vehicles look to be more successful right now than hydrogen of course they were in this position once before
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Is that your definition of a “big loser?”
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its a big loser right now it was a big loser for Toyota IMO.
Maybe in 50 yrs we'll all be driving hydrogen cars?
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The difference is that 50 years ago, EVs sucked compared to ICE vehicles…sucked a lot!
Today, HEVs/FCEVs look the same and have the same performance as BEVs/PHEVs. The infrastructure will come a lot sooner than 50 years.
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People aren't buying Chinese EVs because they are better than Nissan and Honda, they are buying them because they are being sold dirt cheap.
The Chinese are dumping state funded EVs into the rest of the world to A) Keep their workers at home busy; and B) Undercut the Asian, European, and North American industrial base.
The allies won WWII because they had more men and more industrial capacity. China saw that and reeled in the lesson. In the West we forgot that lesson, and sold our industry to China for cheap goods in Walmart, Target, and Amazon. Now Europe is selling it's automotive industry to China for cheap EVs so the urban "environmentalists" can feel warm and fussy inside.
Yes.
I told you before. I'll gladly make this bet. Let's figure out an escrow and make this happen, if you're that confident.
My confidence on this comes from two places:
1) Hydrogen has such a low market share that it could keep doubling every year for the next decade and it won't catch EVs. Hydrogen vehicle sales have actually declined globally as EVs gain marketshare. The world now sells 100x more sex toys than hydrogen cars.
2) Nobody is seriously investing in hydrogen refueling infrastructure at scale. There's small projects here and there. But nothing close to the kind of fast charging networks being built.
Even the Japanese are starting to give up hope on Hydrogen and pivoting to making EVs so they can save their auto sector and their auto export dependent economy.
Maybe somebody will randomly decide to drop hundreds of billions of dollars on hydrogen infrastructure globally and then billions more to convince automakers in the next few years. But when even the oil companies are building EV charging stations I am confident in calling this one settled.
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Who knew the Chinese economy was so strong they could subsidize millions in auto exports for years on end. If they have that kind of cash, I guess the US isn't competitive anymore......
Or, and hear me out, they subsidized the development of the sector that has given them a solid base of IP. And they have a bunch of advantages for manufacturing including lax environmental standards, cheap labour and streamlined bureaucracy that enable them to leverage that previously subsidized IP to success.
You can always link to credible economic analysis that shows how these vehicles are subsidized. Hint: no subsidy comes close to making up the gap between them and legacy Western auto.
Yeah. He wants to be all edgy contrarian. But sales are actually falling. It's been an absolute failure and disaster for Toyota:
It's at the point where Toyota is practically giving away fuel cell cars:
Look at how it gets savaged by car reviewers on just the basics like space:
When we're at the point, where there are 100 dildos sold for every hydrogen car globally, I think we can safely say the market has decided.
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Trump's world now...
www.washingtontimes.com
Trump Energy pick Chris Wright vows to restore U.S. dominance following Biden’s ‘net zero’ policies
Chris Wright, President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee to head the Energy Department, said he’ll reverse Biden administration policies that stymied energy growth and will “restore our energy dominance at home and abroad.”
www.washingtontimes.com
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I won't say "no". I will say minimal. They are giving away the cars and can't sell them. You are so committed. Why don't you have one? Literally every sale helps them right now.
As the car reviewer pointed out, the cars themselves are ridiculous. The infrastructure is non-existent for most of the world.
Where did the electricity come from when everybody got air conditioning? Where did the electricity come from when the internet took off and we built data centres? Where will the electricity come when we need more data centres for AI? By the way, the average charging load for a commuter using an EV is the same power draw as an air conditioner overnight.
You didn't worry about it before. You don't need to worry about it now. Demand drives capital investment. There will be plenty of investment into power generation and grid expansion.
I know you're used to tossing it out your Internet arguments against Ecowarriors. So this must be confusing for you. If you're a techno-optimist who believes in capitalism, environmental effects are ancillary benefits to cleantech. Neither you nor I care about the climate footprint or groundwater pollution involved in fueling your current water or manufacturing your washing machine. Let's be honest. And nobody will care about the next set of tech either. Whatever is cheaper and more efficient will win.
If you really care though, go for it. Cut your electricity consumption as low as possible. Make room for those of us who want to use more.
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