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Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

Petard said:
FWIW I think the RCA is going to end up getting GDLS’ Grizzly, primarily because of IRB; cynically, I believe operational requirements remain only a consideration

In other news, because the C3 is truly no longer sustainable, and the RCA personnel situation is so strained while undergoing major restructuring, the CA is abandoning the Op Palaci task

The challenge of Rogers Pass is that avalanche producing weather systems can persist for some time, plus the area of interest is quite large as well. The economic impact of closing the pass is such that snow clearing operations can and do occur during blizzard like conditions

This is why trying to solve the problem with UAS is not any more practical than using explosive charges thrown from helicopters; snow clearing operations can happen during times that preclude flying anything. Parks Canada has begun installing some alternative methods of triggering avalanches, such as explosive charge launching towers and gas ignition, in other avalanche risk areas, including east of Revelstoke in the approaches to Rogers Pass. The systems would be very expensive to emplace in order to provide sufficient coverage along the Pass’ length. Once again, those avalanche conditions could persist longer than the systems’ capacity to respond to it. Situations can also occur when some adjustment of the detonation location is also needed, a capability which those alternatives lack. Assuming Parks Canada wanted to go with some alternative(s) to using RCA guns, it doesn’t sound to me like they’ll have it in place for next year

In my view, this withdrawal by the CA is premature. The task could be met using LG1’s and Class B reservists, as an interim solution. Although the LG1 has its own problems, at least it still has an OEM to solve/support it. Although the gun doesn’t fit the gun rings in the pass, it was not an issue when the LG1 was temporarily used for the Op Palaci task in 2011 (the C3 fleet was grounded at the time after one of them snapped in two in Gagetown). Should P Res units eventually get 120 mortars, these, too, could easily do the task (I think 4.2” mortars were once used for the task way back in the day)
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LG1 is still the prominent gun for the RCAS due to the lower cost per round and ability of repair. With all the planned expansion of the RCA the ones that are left will be strained just meeting IT pumping new Arty Os out.
 
MH2022 said:
LG1 is still the prominent gun for the RCAS due to the lower cost per round and ability of repair. With all the planned expansion of the RCA the ones that are left will be strained just meeting IT pumping new Arty Os out.
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RCAS couldn’t spare 2 guns?
 
Petard said:
FWIW I think the RCA is going to end up getting GDLS’ Grizzly, primarily because of IRB; cynically, I believe operational requirements remain only a consideration

In other news, because the C3 is truly no longer sustainable, and the RCA personnel situation is so strained while undergoing major restructuring, the CA is abandoning the Op Palaci task

The challenge of Rogers Pass is that avalanche producing weather systems can persist for some time, plus the area of interest is quite large as well. The economic impact of closing the pass is such that snow clearing operations can and do occur during blizzard like conditions

This is why trying to solve the problem with UAS is not any more practical than using explosive charges thrown from helicopters; snow clearing operations can happen during times that preclude flying anything. Parks Canada has begun installing some alternative methods of triggering avalanches, such as explosive charge launching towers and gas ignition, in other avalanche risk areas, including east of Revelstoke in the approaches to Rogers Pass. The systems would be very expensive to emplace in order to provide sufficient coverage along the Pass’ length. Once again, those avalanche conditions could persist longer than the systems’ capacity to respond to it. Situations can also occur when some adjustment of the detonation location is also needed, a capability which those alternatives lack. Assuming Parks Canada wanted to go with some alternative(s) to using RCA guns, it doesn’t sound to me like they’ll have it in place for next year

In my view, this withdrawal by the CA is premature. The task could be met using LG1’s and Class B reservists, as an interim solution. Although the LG1 has its own problems, at least it still has an OEM to solve/support it. Although the gun doesn’t fit the gun rings in the pass, it was not an issue when the LG1 was temporarily used for the Op Palaci task in 2011 (the C3 fleet was grounded at the time after one of them snapped in two in Gagetown). Should P Res units eventually get 120 mortars, these, too, could easily do the task (I think 4.2” mortars were once used for the task way back in the day)
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I suspect that if we asked SK to refurbish our C3 fleet as part of winning the sub deal, they easily do it. They have some 1200 M101's is storage.
 
Petard said:
FWIW I think the RCA is going to end up getting GDLS’ Grizzly, primarily because of IRB; cynically, I believe operational requirements remain only a consideration

In other news, because the C3 is truly no longer sustainable, and the RCA personnel situation is so strained while undergoing major restructuring, the CA is abandoning the Op Palaci task

The challenge of Rogers Pass is that avalanche producing weather systems can persist for some time, plus the area of interest is quite large as well. The economic impact of closing the pass is such that snow clearing operations can and do occur during blizzard like conditions

This is why trying to solve the problem with UAS is not any more practical than using explosive charges thrown from helicopters; snow clearing operations can happen during times that preclude flying anything. Parks Canada has begun installing some alternative methods of triggering avalanches, such as explosive charge launching towers and gas ignition, in other avalanche risk areas, including east of Revelstoke in the approaches to Rogers Pass. The systems would be very expensive to emplace in order to provide sufficient coverage along the Pass’ length. Once again, those avalanche conditions could persist longer than the systems’ capacity to respond to it. Situations can also occur when some adjustment of the detonation location is also needed, a capability which those alternatives lack. Assuming Parks Canada wanted to go with some alternative(s) to using RCA guns, it doesn’t sound to me like they’ll have it in place for next year

In my view, this withdrawal by the CA is premature. The task could be met using LG1’s and Class B reservists, as an interim solution. Although the LG1 has its own problems, at least it still has an OEM to solve/support it. Although the gun doesn’t fit the gun rings in the pass, it was not an issue when the LG1 was temporarily used for the Op Palaci task in 2011 (the C3 fleet was grounded at the time after one of them snapped in two in Gagetown). Should P Res units eventually get 120 mortars, these, too, could easily do the task (I think 4.2” mortars were once used for the task way back in the day)
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I suspect that the Met effect on Mortars might be less than desirable.
 
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