quadrapiper
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How niche is Taiwan's situation? Seems like it might be a good fit for a dense country with a good road network wanting a rapid-reaction tool.
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If China gets into the country a 105mm isn’t what one wants.
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Modern tanks can run rapidly on good roads but wheeled DFS vehicles can't work well when there is major rubble as in built up areas or the rugged countryside or soft agricultural fields that make up much of the Taiwanese countryside.
Sorry, but I'm a dyed in the wool "track" guy. Tracks trump wheels every time the terrain gets tough - and it will get tough.
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Agreed.Modern tanks can run rapidly on good roads but wheeled DFS vehicles can't work well when there is major rubble as in built up areas or the rugged countryside or soft agricultural fields that make up much of the Taiwanese countryside.
Sorry, but I'm a dyed in the wool "track" guy. Tracks trump wheels every time the terrain gets tough - and it will get tough.
Wheels are great in a PSO/COIN environment, where you have a lot more freedom of movement administratively.
Tracks are for when you absolutely need to push through, damn the consequences.
You can tell where our focus has been for the last 30 years.
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Lots and lots of RPGs!
quadrapiper
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Copy. Absolutely not my field, and just guessing at something that might make sense.
Seems like the Japanese might be a good source for tanks, if they'll sell abroad, given similar geography and proximity.
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Modern tanks can run rapidly on good roads but wheeled DFS vehicles can't work well when there is major rubble as in built up areas or the rugged countryside or soft agricultural fields that make up much of the Taiwanese countryside.
Sorry, but I'm a dyed in the wool "track" guy. Tracks trump wheels every time the terrain gets tough - and it will get tough.
Sorry, not sorry.
Wheels for wheels and tracks for tracks.
Wheels can dominate the areas between the fights, securing rear, flanks and uncontested fronts. We have a wheeled force. Strengthen said wheeled force with wheeled DFS, SPAAGs, SAMs, SPHs and Mortars.
Your heavy assault force should be on tracks with low loaders and bridging gear.
And I will continue to argue for an amphibious component to the wheeled element for route recce.
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Taiwan ordered 108 M1's but I guess still plan on using the M60 for most areas. The K2 or Type 10 probably would have been good weight wise
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That’s not how the Italians or Japanese employ them. The Italians use them in heavy cavalry regiments and the Japanese actually do call the type 16 a tank. In either way it’s not an infantry vehicle. The Italians use them for reconnaissance while the Japanese see them as a fast reaction alternative in mountainous terrain.Since I think we've generally agreed that wheeled DFS vehicles like the US MGS are definitely NOT tanks I'm posting these here:
Italian army orders 28 Centauro II combat vehicle
The Iveco – Oto Melara Consortium has signed a contract with the Italian Secretariat of Defence (Segredifesa) on June 27, 2024, for the delivery of 28 Centauro II armored vehicles. This contract, which includes a ten-year integrated logistic support package, completes the Italian Army's...defence-blog.com
Taiwan develops new armored combat vehicle
The Armament Bureau of Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense revealed the latest prototype of its D2 eight-wheel drive armored combat vehicle on Tuesday. This advanced model features a 105mm tank gun, hunter-killer capabilities, a 360-degree surround view, and a top speed exceeding 100 km/h...
So at least the Italians and Taiwanese continue to see the value in wheeled DFS vehicles to support their infantry.
In light of what we're seeing in Ukraine do people see a DFS capability like this as a worthwhile investment for our LAV Battalions?
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Logistically, maintenence, and interoperability wise it makes more sense to just go with what the US uses.
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For us or Taiwan?
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For us. The tanks and parts being built next door instead of across an ocean eases the logistics chain, and would allow us to have tanks refitted by the manufacturer.
quadrapiper
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I was speaking specifically to Taiwan.
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Missles and more missiles, plus mines and sea mines, and a lot more missiles.
A land war in Taiwan is a lost cause - need to keep Red China off the land.
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Moats, still the best defence against an attacking force.
Here's a track machine stuck in some mud.
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If only they had 10 unditching beams across the backHere's a track machine stuck in some mud.
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Thats their firewood. Lol
