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Lumber said:
I don't know why I didn't realize this before now, but this really starting to feel like just the Americans version of the vaunted "3 day special military operation".
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That was the Special Maduro Operation. But this is turning out like the Russian version for sure.
 
The challenge is going to be getting arms and armed Iranians into the country. It easy to say "go back and fight" But if going back means your arrested at the airport, then shot, you not achieved much.

But form a Iranian legion and use them to start taking and holding the islands would be a start.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
The challenge is going to be getting arms and armed Iranians into the country. It easy to say "go back and fight" But if going back means your arrested at the airport, then shot, you not achieved much.

But form a Iranian legion and use them to start taking and holding the islands would be a start.
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How long term do you want to make this war? I don't think that letting this go on indefinitely without clear objectives is a good idea. However, ending this and leaving whatever is left of the regime in power may have very significant Repercussions in the long run, given how many Iranian child will now grow up missing a parent due to American/Israeli airstrikes. The propaganda for the next generation can write itself.
 
Will be an interesting list of countries in this coalition.

Which do you think outside of the gulf is getting ready to risk their ships on this?

EDIT: Canada, UK, Australia, and Japan have already been ruled out.

www.independent.co.uk

Trump to announce Strait of Hormuz escorts this week, officials say

President’s team spent much of last week vowing that U.S. would reopen key waterway and oil shipping route
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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Kilted said:
How long term do you want to make this war? I don't think that letting this go on indefinitely without clear objectives is a good idea. However, ending this and leaving whatever is left of the regime in power may have very significant Repercussions in the long run, given how many Iranian child will now grow up missing a parent due to American/Israeli airstrikes. The propaganda for the next generation can write itself.
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Better to start recruiting Iranians now and getting them some training, arms and getting them into the country. I dearly want the regime to come apart under it's own rot. But if that does not happen, then arming resistance groups and forming units who can use drones and call in airstrikes might be a good idea.
 
Remius said:
Nope.

And now he’s making veiled threats .

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HavokFour said:
Will be an interesting list of countries in this coalition.

Which do you think outside of the gulf is getting ready to risk their ships on this?

EDIT: Canada, UK, Australia, and Japan have already been ruled out.

www.independent.co.uk

Trump to announce Strait of Hormuz escorts this week, officials say

President’s team spent much of last week vowing that U.S. would reopen key waterway and oil shipping route
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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I think he’s pulling his classic move where he makes an announcement as if some thing is already a thing, when he’s really hoping he can wish it into existence.

He’s just spent over a year shitting all over America’s diplomatic relations, and thinking ‘soft power’ is a thing you wipe your ass with. The chickens are coming home to roost as he finds he has led America into a predicament nobody wants to join them in.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
Us criticizing them is pretty funny considering their capabilities are still substantially greater than ours.

What do we have for a navy again? Oh 4 subs that basically don’t work, 12 frigates which are in very questionable shape and past their intended lifespan, a leased resupply ship, some helicopters which are of dodgy quality and potentially worse than what it replaced, and we lack the bodies to even run most our stuff.

Those who live in glass houses…
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Well it's an apple vs oranges comparison...

The UK is a nuclear power with a nuclear deterrent constantly at sea & has 2 aircraft carriers to help execute on their foreign policy (whatever that may be these days)


The British Army alone is larger than the entire CAF reg force.

So yes, they can operate at a strategic level that we simply can't & have capabilities that we don't.

...

That being said...

The RN's current readiness seems pretty low, despite what their published numbers seem to indicate.

That isn't so much a criticism as it is a simple observation.

I realize they are in the midst of recapitalizing their fleet also (9 ships under construction at the moment?) and how things seem today aren't necessarily reflective of their overall capability in general.



But the fact is they didn't have any ships available to deploy to Cyprus that had the capabilities needed (even a Type 23 frigate would have been able to engage whatever errant drones that flew towards their facilities there) while other European nations with similar fleet sizes were able to. (Re Italy, France)

And as a country that is entirely surrounded by water it just seems curious they have so few maritime platforms ready to go.


...

As of December, 2025, the MoD claims that just over 50% of their surface fleet is in an enhanced state of readiness, and their surface fleet stood at 53 ships. But in reality they didn't have a single platform available - old or new, to respond to an unexpected crisis.

Their entire attack submarine fleet is tied up, and only a single nuclear missile submarine is deployed as part of their year round deterrence.

No air defence destroyers were available. Apparently no Type 23's were available.

Neither carrier was immediately available

(Understandable, you can't just yank a carrier & air wing off a shelf and flick a switch...but they literally JUST came back from their tour which was intended to show off their new capabilities. Not to mention we're going into Day 16 here...)

(I'm not throwing rocks really. Just pointing out what is. I know we have our own issues, but this isn't a great look for an island country desperate to show off their active middle power ambitions)



Lumber said:
I don't know why I didn't realize this before now, but this really starting to feel like just the Americans version of the vaunted "3 day special military operation".
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What's wrong with still fighting the enemy on Day 1241 of Putin's 3 Day Special Military Operation? 😉

According to fictional Vlad, "everything is going exactly as we planned..." said in Putin's voice

(I dunno wtf I'm even saying right now, just ignore me for a while lol)


Czech_pivo said:
And what

And what happened in September of 2008?

Hint, the collapse of a number of large US financial institutions and the crash of the stock market….📉
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But what happened back in 2003 when America shut Iraqi oil production down?

Prices went WAAAAYYYYY UP!! And plenty of people at Chevron, Exxon, British Petroleum, etc got RICH RICH RICH...


I have been harping on my roomie/best friend to invest in oil for the last 2 weeks - he's FINALLY listened to me



OldSolduer said:
Let me rephrase- all of the population of the UK is responsible.

Just like all Canadians are responsible for our current abysmal state.
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100%
 
brihard said:
I think he’s pulling his classic move where he makes an announcement as if some thing is already a thing, when he’s really hoping he can wish it into existence.

He’s just spent over a year shitting all over America’s diplomatic relations, and thinking ‘soft power’ is a thing you wipe your ass with. The chickens are coming home to roost as he finds he has led America into a predicament nobody wants to join them in.
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I am also leaning towards him just rattling off a list, and at least 1-2 on it haven't actually agreed to anything or even been contacted yet. All in the hopes that they agree after being put on the spot.
 
brihard said:
Trump is supposed to travel to China for a bilateral summit in two weeks. He’s now saying that may be on hold unless China agrees to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

www.cnbc.com

Trump signals possible delay to Beijing summit as U.S. pressures China to help reopen Strait of Hormuz

The remarks came as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent met his Chinese counterpart He Lifeng in Paris, paving the way for the summit scheduled for late March.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
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So Trump hands Xi more of those cards he loves to reference.
 
HavokFour said:
So Trump hands Xi more of those cards he loves to reference.
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It’s certainly not a show of strength.

Edit to add: thinking further- Iran has continued to ship some oil out via the strait. Some of these ships have been identified as sanctioned. Yet the Americans don’t seem to be intercepting them. Not sure if it’s lack of capability or lack of will to? That’s a screw the U.S. could still threaten to turn- but one that may put them at odds with China and India if they do.
 
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brihard said:
Trump is supposed to travel to China for a bilateral summit in two weeks. He’s now saying that may be on hold unless China agrees to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

www.cnbc.com

Trump signals possible delay to Beijing summit as U.S. pressures China to help reopen Strait of Hormuz

The remarks came as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent met his Chinese counterpart He Lifeng in Paris, paving the way for the summit scheduled for late March.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
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So he wants to give the Chinese experience in moving a large number of ships halfway around the world as a fleet, have them learn to do resupply at a great distance from their home bases and learn how to defend themselves from drone attacks as well.
Doesn’t all of this seem like something we don’t want them to be learning right now?
 
brihard said:
Trump is supposed to travel to China for a bilateral summit in two weeks. He’s now saying that may be on hold unless China agrees to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

www.cnbc.com

Trump signals possible delay to Beijing summit as U.S. pressures China to help reopen Strait of Hormuz

The remarks came as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent met his Chinese counterpart He Lifeng in Paris, paving the way for the summit scheduled for late March.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
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Chinese Oil Imports Through the Strait of Hormuz​

Importance of the Strait of Hormuz​

The Strait of Hormuz is a critical waterway for global oil shipments, handling about 20% of the world's oil supply. It is particularly vital for Asian countries, including China, which relies heavily on this route for its energy needs.

China's Oil Dependence​

  • China imports approximately 40% to 50% of its seaborne oil through the Strait of Hormuz.
  • The strait is essential for China's energy security, as it accounts for a significant portion of its total oil consumption
Given the above, I would think they'd look pretty seriously at the offer.
Another choice would be to have all their tankers sanctioned so they would be out the 50% that comes through SoH.

And they may decide to wait it out. They've got a $1.2 million barrels in their Strategic Oil Reserve. Just a matter of how low they want to deplete that reserve.
 
This article from CNN rings true with a lot of what I’ve been saying - that the brightest minds were left out of the planning room altogether or if in the room, almost completely ignored.

Enjoy reading this article, it’s a surprisingly long one and comprehensive one.


Two weeks of war: Inside Trump’s risky decision to attack Iran — and the scramble to contain the fallout​


… “the war-planning process was not as robust as normal, said one senior US official. The White House sharply downsized its National Security Council over the last year, undercutting the coordinating role that it’s typically played in gathering input from across the government and ensuring any key concerns or considerations don’t fall through the cracks.

“The NSC used to be the final synthesizer before going to deputy or principal meetings for approvals,” the senior US official said of the administration’s internal processes. “Without a real interagency process led by the NSC, the planning falls apart.”
 
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