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Iran Super Thread- Merged

Ad-libbing from what my Jewish neighbour disclosed to me in passing conversation about the whole situation:

"Israel the State does not represent Judaism the religion, nor the Jewish cultural identity. Calls of "antisemitism" against those critical of Israel's actions/policies shows how fragile their position in the world really is."
It's kind of like celebrating St Patricks day. Not only for the Irish, even though there are undercover Paddy's all over the world.
 
Ad-libbing from what my Jewish neighbour disclosed to me in passing conversation about the whole situation:

"Israel the State does not represent Judaism the religion, nor the Jewish cultural identity. Calls of "antisemitism" against those critical of Israel's actions/policies shows how fragile their position in the world really is."
Jews outside and inside Israel have wildly differing opinions. Hamas actions on Oct 7th, actually targeted communities that most wanted to find a solution with the Palestinians, effectively killing off much of the desire to find a solution. People forget that the support for the Palestinians in the Arab world is a mile wide and inch deep.
 
I’ve seen quite a bit of video this evening of Iranian ballistic missile attacks with cluster warheads into Israeli. Israeli ambulance services have confirmed two dead today at one scene. Iran seems to certainly still have some dry powder… They’re not out of the fight yet.


I’ve not seen much today about strikes elsewhere in the Gulf; some of the Gulf states have been leaning in pretty hard on censorship of information about strikes, but maybe there just haven’t been many?

Not sure if you guys saw this but (yesterday?) an Iranian aligned militia flew an FOV drone seemingly unhindered through the U.S. embassy compound in Baghdad. The embassy has taken one or more additional hits since… It’s C-RAM system is definitely getting a workout. I fear that if they can fly FPV drones right into the compound low and slow, those higher end defensive systems may be pretty vulnerable to getting picked off once the FPVs are laden with explosives.

FPV recce of the embassy:
C-RAM fails to stop an incoming drone:

Iran appears to be exercising traffic control over the Strait, with some permitted vessels taking a routing through that brings them in close through Iranian waters.


While WTI and Brent Crude are holding steady around $100 a barrel, many Asian markets are seeing major spikes in prices for actual oil delivery; they get much of theirs from the conflict zone. It’s having real economic impacts. Most of the oil commodity prices we see quoted reflect paper trading such as futures. Actual physical delivery costs of Omani crude as one example are now north of $150/bbl.



There are lots of other economic sectors getting hit hard by this, only a few of which I’ve had time or brain cells to read up on. Apparently fertilizer is one to watch; a significant portion of the world’s urea apparently flows through the strait. A jump in fertilizer costs will be a real ‘oh shit’ for many.


So, various stuff that’s caught my eye today as I’ve had moments to read…
 
Here’s Kent’s resignation letter. 😳
I knew I liked this guy!

A government official that actually understands the significance of his position & clearly doesn't take it for granted.

He did what I believe his late wife would have wanted him to do. And as a father, he took a stand for every parent out there that has a child in the military

(They aren't children...bah...you know what I mean!)



That letter was clear, concise, professional, and stated his reasons without being a jerk.

And as a guy significantly closer to current events (being the Director of the Counterterrorism Center) I'm going to go with what he says in his letter.

Which is exactly what most of us here agree on - that Israel dragged America into fighting another one of it's wars, the well being of America be damned...

(Actually, weakening America actually is beneficial to the Israeli long term plans)


...


Is it okay to say F**k Israel yet?
What about if I say F**k Iran? Is that okay?

Is there a real difference in either of those statements? Not really.

Will one get me in more trouble than the other tho? You bet!


Iraq - hundreds of thousands dead. Young people on both sides, dead. Because of a war that didn't have to happen. A war that happened despite Iraq screaming to the world that weapons inspectors could come in & inspect anything they wanted, whenever they wanted.

The USS Liberty...

Their involvement in 9/11 (the dancing Israelis, major involvement in NYC prominent real estate, etc)

Their heavy influence & control of banks that operate throughout the United States - both private banks for ordinary banking needs, to bigger banks that directly influence major sectors of the American economy

Carpet bombing Gaza in response to the "October 7th attacks"


Israel is looking out for Israel, period. And f**k anybody who disagrees or gets in their way.

Wolf in sheep's clothing as an allie


Which war is he talking about (losing his wife) that was manufacturer by Israel. This current one in Iran?
The most recent war against Iraq (that started via 2003)

How she died I think gives him some decent insight into the Israeli connection/influence, as well as what intelligence agencies can be up to
 
Of course! It’s the JOOS’ fault!

🙄

Don't think that's an accurate take. Marco Rubio basically admitted that Israel dragged them into this. And now we have the Arabs (and other sources) basically saying that Kushner and Witkoff convinced Trump to do this. I don't think it's so much "the Joos" as Netanyahu working through Kushner. The biggest beneficiary of this war may well be Bibi personally.
 
Don't think that's an accurate take. Marco Rubio basically admitted that Israel dragged them into this. And now we have the Arabs (and other sources) basically saying that Kushner and Witkoff convinced Trump to do this. I don't think it's so much "the Joos" as Netanyahu working through Kushner. The biggest beneficiary of this war may well be Bibi personally.
This. Netanyahu doesn’t represent 100% of Israelis, the same way Trump doesn’t represent 100% of Americans. But contemporary responses to events from others affected can use inclusive terms that can imply wider causal association, eg. many blame ‘America’ for deleterious impact to their own lives through actions of the current administration, even though ‘Trumps and his senior cabinet’ may be more accurate. I think Kent was using ‘Israel’ the same way, not the Israeli people, but the Administration and implying Netanyahu in particular.
 
Don't think that's an accurate take. Marco Rubio basically admitted that Israel dragged them into this. And now we have the Arabs (and other sources) basically saying that Kushner and Witkoff convinced Trump to do this. I don't think it's so much "the Joos" as Netanyahu working through Kushner. The biggest beneficiary of this war may well be Bibi personally.

That was my take of Kent’s letter. To me, it was basically a veiled anti-semetic screed blaming the Jews for the ills of the Middle East.
 
Don't think that's an accurate take. Marco Rubio basically admitted that Israel dragged them into this. And now we have the Arabs (and other sources) basically saying that Kushner and Witkoff convinced Trump to do this. I don't think it's so much "the Joos" as Netanyahu working through Kushner. The biggest beneficiary of this war may well be Bibi personally.
Bang on factually, but sadly, those willing to blame the "cosmopolitan bankers and lever pullers" will read that as "it's the joos" :(
 
That was my take of Kent’s letter. To me, it was basically a veiled anti-semetic screed blaming the Jews for the ills of the Middle East.
Seems that way.

It's weird to pull the morality card considering some of his past controversies:

-pressuring analysts to modify intelligence assessments (including Venezuela
-allegations centered on aligning intelligence with political narratives
-links to and associations with individuals tied to extremist or far right groups
-2020 election was stolen and January 6 defendants are political prisoners narratives
 
Seems that way.

It's weird to pull the morality card considering some of his past controversies:

-pressuring analysts to modify intelligence assessments (including Venezuela
-allegations centered on aligning intelligence with political narratives
-links to and associations with individuals tied to extremist or far right groups
-2020 election was stolen and January 6 defendants are political prisoners narratives
The “morality card” he is playing is still consistent with core MAGA thinking. He, like a few others in that group, are just not being hypocrites about the position they’ve always held. No new wars, wasted blood and treasure, america first, blah blah blah.

No way he should be held in any sort of esteem for his decision by either side, but it highlights the divided position that MAGA is now in given some of what they thought they were getting with Trump is not what they are actually getting.

Two camps forming. One that sees a betrayal of MAGA promises and the other where Trump can never be wrong, original world views be damned.

The war with Iran is seeing some of Trump’s most loyal types question their loyalty. No different than what we are seeing with the Epstein files.

On the latest Iran thing, it seems that we have yet another shift from POTUS as he seems to come up with stuff on the fly.


Looks like he’s trying to find an off-ramp.
 
Two camps forming. One that sees a betrayal of MAGA promises and the other where Trump can never be wrong, original world views be damned.

Until gas goes over $3/gal at Buc-ees…
 
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