Iran Super Thread- Merged

[Colin Parkinson]

What does “clear the strait” mean to you?

The problem set here isn’t one of physical control in a given moment, but rather the ability of Iran to selectively threaten shipping enough to at a minimum make it uninsurable, and to pressure commodity trade. That’s gonna be a tough nut to crack.

Reducing their ability to observe and interfere. The islands have always been an issue and Iran uses them as part of their control network. Denying them the smaller Islands certainly helps to keep the Straits open. Really the bigger island of Qeshm would be ideal to wrestle from their control, but I don't think the US have the troops to do that, unless the islanders raise up, as I recall there were protests there early on. The IRGC does not have limitless resources either and 80 million+ people in the country that would like to see them dead. I believe they are using up their existing resources and are going to struggle once that stockpile is gone.

 

[brihard]

Reducing their ability to observe and interfere. The islands have always been an issue and Iran uses them as part of their control network. Denying them the smaller Islands certainly helps to keep the Straits open. Really the bigger island of Qeshm would be ideal to wrestle from their control, but I don't think the US have the troops to do that, unless the islanders raise up, as I recall there were protests there early on. The IRGC does not have limitless resources either and 80 million+ people in the country that would like to see them dead. I believe they are using up their existing resources and are going to struggle once that stockpile is gone.

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That’s a rather optimistic notion of how easily they should be able to blind Iran’s SA of the general movement of large merchant vessels…

 

[Cloud Cover]

If the US is determined to take those islands and hold them with little interference, they are going to need one one hell of a distraction elsewhere in Iran to keep the regime occupied with something even more pressing.

 

[NavyShooter]

I don't for a second think that the US is going to put those marines on Kharg island.

They'll go for one or more of the small islands in the straits first.

 

[eliminator]

Sounding desperate....

“If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST!”

 

[brihard]

Sounding desperate....

“If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST!”

That threat is bereft of sober, intelligent, rational strategizing. He does that, Iran will just shrug and resume smashing a bunch more economic infrastructure throughout the Gulf. More economic MAD. Iran can play that game well enough to send nobody away a winner.

 

[CBH99]

The U.S. has quite a bit dedicated to NATO including a couple Aegis Ashore systems, and I believe Germany has Arrow 3 up and running now.

Ah, as usual you are right good sir. I stand corrected.

So replace Italy & France with Poland & Romania (and Germany)

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I don't for a second think that the US is going to put those marines on Kharg island.

They'll go for one or more of the small islands in the straits first.

It's VERY rare that US Marines get to do the traditional 'marine stuff' for real - like forcefully take an island from the enemy and/or do contested beach landings...

These kids must be excited for what may happen in short order here!



Same goes for modern day paratroopers.

Other than the 75th Ranger Regiment doing a 'combat jump onto an airfield' in Afghanistan, how often do paratroopers get to jump on real world operations as a formation?

Prior to the Afghan jump, I think it was WW2

 

[Brad Sallows]

That threat is bereft of sober, intelligent, rational strategizing. He does that, Iran will just shrug and resume smashing a bunch more economic infrastructure throughout the Gulf. More economic MAD. Iran can play that game well enough to send nobody away a winner.

That might be true if Iran were holding stuff back.

Several important political, military, and regime security leaders have been killed; major naval and air equipments have been destroyed; facilities for producing military equipment including drones and missiles have been destroyed and damaged. Internal security forces can, obviously, be targeted when they go about their jobs.

We should assume that Iran has just been showing a little of what it has up its sleeve, and that it is capable of really unloading?

Another possibility: Iran is using everything it has as fast as it can reconstitute anything and has nothing in reserve except more candidates for vacant leadership positions.

 

[suffolkowner]

back to the fertilizer situation for the bit. Looks like production wise theres no problem in Canada and the US
apparently according to Secretary only 25% of fertilizer production has been secured for the season so back to a pricing issue

 

[brihard]

That might be true if Iran were holding stuff back.

Several important political, military, and regime security leaders have been killed; major naval and air equipments have been destroyed; facilities for producing military equipment including drones and missiles have been destroyed and damaged. Internal security forces can, obviously, be targeted when they go about their jobs.

We should assume that Iran has just been showing a little of what it has up its sleeve, and that it is capable of really unloading?

Another possibility: Iran is using everything it has as fast as it can reconstitute anything and has nothing in reserve except more candidates for vacant leadership positions.

What are you going on about? Just days ago they landed an economically massive hit on Qatar’s natural gas sector. I’m not talking about Iran having some additional, still more potent capabilities it’s been hiding away awaiting this moment. I’m talking about simply more of the same on already known soft economic targets. Refineries, liquefaction plants, loading terminals… None of this requires some hidden super weapon; just Iran deciding “OK, fine, let’s take out three more of Qatar’s LNG production trains.” and firing more of the same.

Since my previous reply, sounds like they’ve promised to do exactly that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2035522288091627928

I believe Iran retains sufficient ability to make the costs of further strikes on their civil infrastructure economically cost prohibitive. Doesn’t mean Trump won’t do it anyway.

 

[suffolkowner]

What are you going on about? Just days ago they landed an economically massive hit on Qatar’s natural gas sector. I’m not talking about Iran having some additional, still more potent capabilities it’s been hiding away awaiting this moment. I’m talking about simply more of the same on already known soft economic targets. Refineries, liquefaction plants, loading terminals… None of this requires some hidden super weapon; just Iran deciding “OK, fine, let’s take out three more of Qatar’s LNG production trains.” and firing more of the same.

Since my previous reply, sounds like they’ve promised to do exactly that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2035522288091627928

I believe Iran retains sufficient ability to make the costs of further strikes on their civil infrastructure economically cost prohibitive. Doesn’t mean Trump won’t do it anyway.

theres no reason for Trump to care is there?