Is it time to list ANTIFA as a criminal or terrorist organization?
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ArmyRick
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Antifa shows up at protest over and over again, causing damage and physically harming people.
Meets the criteria for terrorist? Maybe not. Keep in mind, Samiduoin got listed last year and prior to that they were a not-for-profit organization.
again nobody is saying that it is not an issue, just that you haven't established that they qualify as a terrorist organization.
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To be honest, I don't know know all the criteria to be listed as terrorist organization. As Brihard pointed out, there is no "criminal organization" list.
My concern, is stopping young university kids (for the most part) getting wrapped up in this movement. I am all for opinions and free speech, but when these clowns consistently strike and beat people, no way, it needs to stop.
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Movement does not equal group. A movement is in fact a wildly different thing. Here’s a google answer to explain it to you, per your badly written request:
“A group is a collection of individuals focused on shared, often narrow interests, while a movement is a broader, more decentralized collective effort driven by personal beliefs and a vision for widespread social or political change”
Wrt “Antifa” Wiki agrees it is a Movement - not a group- ie it is decentralized and based on personal beliefs. This article (What – or Who – is Antifa?) summarizes it well “anti fashion is a view point not an organization.”
So I guess my question is what other viewpoints or thoughts would you like to outlaw and how do you plan to enforce that? Because while I agree that violent crime needs to be prosecuted, holding a view counter to Canada First isn’t a crime. Especially when to organizers used the phrase “star mass deportation, emigration is necessary” in their own advertising of the event.
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Maybe we could edit the books they’re allowed to read, and given them hours of specific political instruction reinforced with physical activity. Ideally in a secure location.
Lots of people are anti fashion. Our DEUs for one highlights that…
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Ooof the awkward typo
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Absolutely hammer them for any crimes committed. But I don’t think they come close to the criteria of being a terrorist organization. I don’t think the government has the ability to outlaw groups as “criminal organizations” like outlaw motorcycle gangs or Triads. I could be wrong on that.
My understanding is ANTIFA is more of a philosophy than an organization. It’s kind of hard to outlaw a philosophy in a liberal democratic society.
As for Samidoun…I believe they are an arm of an actual listed terrorist organization, but somehow got non-profit status. In my view, it should never have happened and took way too long to be rectified. Terry Glavin was writing about them and asking questions long before October 7, 2023.
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Perhaps a look at possibly why it got the reaction it did. Don't have to be a card carrying "Antifa" to be vehemently against this kind stuff.
A sample of the advertisements for the rally, from Joe Anidjar's own Instagram account.
Remigration
The location chosen: Christie Pits
A sample of the advertisements for the rally, from Joe Anidjar's own Instagram account.
Remigration
The location chosen: Christie Pits
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ANTIFA will burn out once the general population has had enough of them. AND there always will be a segment of society that wants to change the rules to "stick it to the man".
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Anti-immigration or anti-piss poor immigration POLICY? There is a big difference. This is one case.
Leave it to far left wing activist to change the message.
May be a poor way for Anidjar to communicate but yes mass deportation needs to happen (TFWs and Foreign students when visas expire + those that have been charged with a crime not permanent residence), so?
The immigration policy is a shit show. And even then, they have the right to show up and start punching people in the head who were marching and singing the Canadian anthem? Nope, not acceptable.
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In a legal sense, the question has to be asked and answered the opposite way: how do we know antifa 'is' organized? If you are going to make an organization - and I'm not convinced it is 'an' organization - and membership in it a criminal offence, the State best have evidence that can survive the courts and the Charter.
Just because a group of people, even criminals, do similar things a similar way doesn't necessarily make them 'an' organization. Otherwise, pretty much every drug dealer would all be members of the same gang.
A lot of anti-social behavior is a problem for society. Countering that is the ongoing challenge. The fact that little things like laws and rights get in the way is the price of democracy. In some places, a leader can wave their hand and make just about anything illegal.
They could . . . if you had evidence of an agreement to commit an offence. Merely 'showing up' wouldn't cut it. Whatever communications these people make is often on the dark side of the web. Even if it can be established that you and I agreed to meet and Yonge and Dundas at noon, it would have to be established that we agreed to do that as part of a criminal purpose.
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People aren't looking deep enough. While some neophyte college kids are being swept up and end up downtown protesting, they aren’t the problem. There is a large group of organizers, logistical types, go betweens and influencers who show up time and again, no matter the location. These people are on a payroll. Somebody provides wages, tshirts, banners and equipment like boxes of new respirators. Nobody makes that happen unless you have a warehouse with dedicated workers to churn this stuff out overnight.
Think of the thousands of people in the caravans, heading for the US suddenly wearing the same shirts, flags, and backpacks. They all have cell phones with international calling. Or the Gaza Goons with their Palestine flags and hundreds of the same coloured Walmart tents. BLM is no different.
Somebody is supporting these groups with cash and equipment. Akin to Soros, who founded:
Open Society Foundations[1]
New America[2]
Supported
Best for Britain[3][4]
European Movement UK[5]
Scientists for EU[5][6]
Media Matters for America[7]
Center for Public Integrity[8]
Priorities USA Action[9]
American Bridge 21st Century[9]
America Votes[9][10]
Millennium Promise[11]
Tides Center and Foundation[12]
Wikimedia Endowment[13]
MoveOn[14][15]
America Coming Together[15]
All front organizations for groups designed to cause chaos, discord, violence and change of national governments, morals and the destruction of democracy.
Follow the money and quit pretending these are just kids, on a weekend, with nothing to do. Find and arrest the organizers and whisperers, who hang way at the back and direct the riots like generals from Headquarters. Arrest them under the same RICO case the US is bringing against Soros and his kid.
Think of the thousands of people in the caravans, heading for the US suddenly wearing the same shirts, flags, and backpacks. They all have cell phones with international calling. Or the Gaza Goons with their Palestine flags and hundreds of the same coloured Walmart tents. BLM is no different.
Somebody is supporting these groups with cash and equipment. Akin to Soros, who founded:
Open Society Foundations[1]
New America[2]
Supported
Best for Britain[3][4]
European Movement UK[5]
Scientists for EU[5][6]
Media Matters for America[7]
Center for Public Integrity[8]
Priorities USA Action[9]
American Bridge 21st Century[9]
America Votes[9][10]
Millennium Promise[11]
Tides Center and Foundation[12]
Wikimedia Endowment[13]
MoveOn[14][15]
America Coming Together[15]
All front organizations for groups designed to cause chaos, discord, violence and change of national governments, morals and the destruction of democracy.
Follow the money and quit pretending these are just kids, on a weekend, with nothing to do. Find and arrest the organizers and whisperers, who hang way at the back and direct the riots like generals from Headquarters. Arrest them under the same RICO case the US is bringing against Soros and his kid.
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Yes the current immigration situation is a big problem, however...
Remigration is an entirely different thing, because it involves deporting full citizens for the crime of being descended from the "wrong" group. So which group(s) and how many generations back should get the boot? What if your own family doesn't meet the cut? Do you see the issue now? There's a reason why it's a separate thing from "mass deportations" in their messaging.
Obviously assault is unacceptable, no question there. My last post was to bring to light why people were quite unhappy with the demonstration.
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There are tens of thousands of citizen patriots showing up at rallies all over the world. Britain, Germany, Spain, Japan, Australia, etc. People who are watching their economies, laws, finances, jobs, education and governments being absolutely ruined by open borders and illegal immigration. Muslim no go areas, two tiered justice systems, physical, mental and emotional attacks on what was their way of life. People are no longer willing to believe their politicians and many who are suspected of being willing enablers.
This hasn’t anything to do with racism, bigotry or whitey. It's a concerted effort to take down the stable, prosperous society people had and want back. The problem is they've been taken as fools. They know it and don't like it.
If you want to call it remigration, another stupid buzzword, instead of calling for the removal of illegal aliens, deportation and the normal words we've used for generations, you do you. People want to come here and turn us into the third world country they left or force us, under penalty of death, to give up all we know and become adherents to a primitive and savage system of political religion, have to be returned from whence they came. However, they aren't the only ones, there's other groups taking over businesses, enclaves, cities and not adhering to Canadian ethics and norms.
Just look where it's taken Canada. No homes, no jobs, no food, a broken health system that kills more than it saves and a government who can't keep their lies straight. All due to excessive, unwanted and damaging immigration policy, or lack thereof.
Again, this isn’t being racist or bigoted, it's reality and people have to start holding their politicians to task and demand that our employees start doing what we want, not the other way around.
This hasn’t anything to do with racism, bigotry or whitey. It's a concerted effort to take down the stable, prosperous society people had and want back. The problem is they've been taken as fools. They know it and don't like it.
If you want to call it remigration, another stupid buzzword, instead of calling for the removal of illegal aliens, deportation and the normal words we've used for generations, you do you. People want to come here and turn us into the third world country they left or force us, under penalty of death, to give up all we know and become adherents to a primitive and savage system of political religion, have to be returned from whence they came. However, they aren't the only ones, there's other groups taking over businesses, enclaves, cities and not adhering to Canadian ethics and norms.
Just look where it's taken Canada. No homes, no jobs, no food, a broken health system that kills more than it saves and a government who can't keep their lies straight. All due to excessive, unwanted and damaging immigration policy, or lack thereof.
Again, this isn’t being racist or bigoted, it's reality and people have to start holding their politicians to task and demand that our employees start doing what we want, not the other way around.
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Dude, are you naive or just moving the gold posts? "Remigration" is not about illegal immigrants. They weren't protesting against lack of enforcement against illegal immigrants, they were protesting against LEGAL immigrants.
You seem to either be flip flopping between your terms or else you don't understand the difference, so I'll ask plainly:
Do you support removing legal immigrants from Canada for no other reason than "there are too many of them"?
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