Islam and Western Society

[Lumber]

No.  You are thinking pineapple.  Pineapple does not go on pizza.

Thems fightin' words.  :threat:

 

[AbdullahD]

Sorry dude I don't think anyone is buying that.

A brief bio of the prophets wife Zaynab
http://www.islamswomen.com/articles/zaynab_bint_jahsh.php

A brief bio of Zaid the prophets adopted son
http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=10821

Looks like an article refuting critics
http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar/zaynab_bint_jahsh.htm

Just doing a little bit of google research it sounds like the Prophet Muhammad had a lot of sex with pretty much anyone and everyone he wanted to.

For you my friend, it is delightfully trollish
http://www.answering-christianity.com/womanizer.htm

Sex etiquette in Islam (what is encouraged to do)
https://islamqa.info/en/5560

Concubines and sex slaves (im  not sure if the article notes Umar ra abolished slaves)
http://islamicresponse.blogspot.ca/2011/06/islam-on-slave-girlsconcubines.html?m=1

Rebuttal about the article on Mariya which is a common source of these allegations
http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/rebuttaltoalisina9.htm

Again I kind of doubt it.

Allah Reprimands the prophet
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1394&Itemid=136

Muhammad a sinner?
http://www.answering-christianity.com/mo-sinner_rebuttal.htm

Now I can not find online the stories about the Prophet pbuh being criticized or fighting with his wives. It is in fazail'e'amaal by Maulana khandlavi. If you wish to buy the book and verify what I say.

Also I could not find online articles about the sahabah being critical or offering opinions against what the prophet thought regarding warfare and the prophet changing his opinion due to the criticism. You can find stories of this in Hayatus Sahabah by Maulana khandlavi as well.

I honestly deal with books more then the internet, it is just something delightful about sitting down with a 'real' book... also I am in a hurry today.

Seriously? A little cocaine is a-okay but don't eat ham.  Followers of Islam need to chill out with that crap.

Now I am not going to say to eat ham because you are already doing cocaine... but you're right imho if you are doing illegal drugs you have no right to be critical verbal or physically of someone who eats haram... and to physically attack the person is utter stupidity.

Judge not, lest you be judged.

Abdullah

Ps you guys post to fast lol

 

[Loachman]

No.  You are thinking pineapple.  Pineapple does not go on pizza.

But the double anchovies, double olives, and double hot peppers are not the same without pineapple.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Many years ago, during the Vietnam war, an American P-3C Orion was carrying out a standard coastal patrol off the Eastern shores of Vietnam in support of the then deployed aircraft carrier battle group.

Fairly suddenly, as happened in that area frequently, a large thunderstorm developed and, in view of their patrol line, the orion had to skirt it but go in somewhat to maintain station.

As sure as the sun rises, midway through the transit, the Orion got hit by lightning and all the on board electrical systems tripped. The flight engineer got up and, proceeding forward to aft, walked through the plane reseting all the fuses.

As he walked through the galley, and switched the lights back on, he walked by one of the sensor operators on his break, still standing befuddled, sandwich in hand with but one bite taken out of it. The engineer grabbed the sandwich from his hand, opened it and looked at the contents, put it back together, handed it back to the operator and told him: "Don't you ever have another one of those sandwich if your flying on my plane!" The operator's name was Salomon, he was of the Jewish faith and the sandwich was a ham and cheese one.

Ham: The Gods' instrument of destruction!  [

And, MCG and Journeyman, you are both wrong (and I guess Loachman too): It's anchovies, anchovies that don't go on pizza. Snap out of it!  :facepalm:

 

[Jarnhamar]

Isn't funny how folks that go around with the prophet title seemed to get laid a lot?

Yup. This Christian nut-bars come to mind.

This story has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. You could find a thousand similar incidents of hypocrisy involving members of every other religion.

Muslim men attacking a couple because the couple had pork product on their pizza, which us forbidden under Islam, has nothing to do with Islam?

Sure it does, but I'll concede somewhat and state the obvious that of course anyone attacking human beings over silly religious tenants  are morons. It seems to be pretty prevalent in Islam however and example of issues with Islam in Western Society.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Muslims are allowed to eat anything dependent on circumstance, funny there is also the "whole dog is unclean thing". There is only about 1-2 references to dogs in the Koran, one of them being the dog guarded the cave the Prophet slept in as I recall. Also the Prophet coming across a thirsty dog, took his slipper off, filled it with water for the dog to drink. Seems the Prophet was fairly ok with contact with them.
Part of the problem with Islam as with any religion is the need for Muhammad to out do the Muhammad down the street in religious piety, so the stupidity grows. this problem by itself, would just be amusing, but other structural problems in Islam cause this effect and other to become dangerous to others (mainly other Muslims, but also non-Muslims)   

 

[Kirkhill]

It was set to expire at the end of the month,

The ban remains in place until 31 August 2016
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37171749

For the remaining five days, Nice PD could cross out Burkini and insert "budgie smuggler" on the original. They could keep on ticketing and make up the lost municipal income. < just kidding 

I was stationed in a predominantly Jewish district. My partner was Jewish. So is my wife.

There were Sabbath rules, Hatzalah, language, religion, cultural and gender considerations. ( On the job, not at home. )

I guess it's like you say, "None of this is unique to Islam." 

ISLAMIC State has banned the burka in an embarrassing U-turn, declaring full-face veils are a security risk.

By KATIE MANSFIELD
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Tue, Sep 6, 2016 | UPDATED: 00:00, Tue, Sep 6, 2016

... ISIS has outlawed women wearing the veils in security offices in Mosul, Iraq. ...

A source revealed the reason behind the ban.

Speaking to Al Alam News Network, the insider revealed ISIS chiefs changed their minds following a series of deadly attacks on terror commanders by women wearing burkas and niqabs in recent months.

But women will still be required to cover themselves completely when out in public with ISIS expecting a dress code including gloves and gauze to cover the eyes to be observed.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/707468/ISIS-burka-ban-Islamic-State-full-face-veils-security-risk

 

[Jarnhamar]

LOL

 

[AbdullahD]

LOL

You cant really say anything else to this can we?

Another hole in daesh appears. Jarnhammer, I dont drink but could you have one for me lol, this is to good.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You cant really say anything else to this can we?

Something about chickens coming home to roost, might be appropriate. 

 

[jollyjacktar]

Well, it cuts down on the cross dressers.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Live by the burka ...

 

[George Wallace]

Perhaps this had something to do with it:

Reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act.

Dressed to kill! SAS heroes don BURKAS for raid on ISIS bunker to take down jihadi chief
BRAVE SAS heroes dressed up in BURKAS to carry out a daring raid on the Islamic State (ISIS) headquarters in Syria which led to an evil jihadi leader being vaporised, it emerged today.

By NICK GUTTERIDGE
PUBLISHED: 02:37, Mon, Jan 18, 2016 | UPDATED: 09:54, Mon, Jan 18, 2016

Fearless special forces troops donned the full-length Islamic dress to sneak undetected through the terrorists’ de facto capital Raqqa and take down the terrorist commander.

The eight-man SAS squad also eliminated several jihadi fighters after lifting up their burkas and opening fire on the stunned militants, who had no time to hide from the hail of bullets.

The group posed as the wives of ISIS chiefs by covering themselves from head-to-toe in the traditional black robes, managing to blag their way through to the group’s headquarters.

They were driven through the town in a Toyota pick-up truck - the make favoured by jihadi murderers - with the help of local Syrians working with the secret service to help bring down ISIS.

The elite troopers even managed to hide assault weapons, grenades and ammo beneath their roomy ankle-length gowns in case they encountered armed resistance from Islamist militants.

After making their way through the town they located the house of a senior terrorist chief and used a transmitted to relay its location and coordinates to a US Air Force AWAC mission control aircraft circling thousands of feet above.

The American spy plane then passed the information onto a US Reaper drone, which seconds later fired a Hellfire missile into the building, vaporising the ISIS commander and several of his henchmen.

When jihadi militants heard the explosion they rushed onto the streets and discovered the burka-clad troopers, who took down several jihadis during a fierce gun battle as they fought their way to safety.

A source told the Daily Star on Sunday: “The SAS team were moving back to their vehicles after the missile had struck when the town went into lockdown.

“Gunmen were on the streets stopping everyone, lining people up against the walls and threatening to kill anyone who had helped the ‘spies’.

“The attack took place in the early evening, about an hour before curfew, so there were still quite a few people around.

“Just as the British soldiers were getting back into a minivan several gunmen ordered them to stop. The troopers ignored the warnings and were about to drive off when the jihadis opened fire.

They added: “The SAS jumped out of the vehicle, lifted up their burkas and opened fire. It must have been a massive shock to the gunmen.

“One was killed instantly and two others ran off. The firefight gave the SAS just enough time to break contact with the Isis gunmen and escape.

“We later heard Isis fighters were putting rumours around the town saying the ‘infidels’ had sent women in burkas to fight instead of men.”

The daring mission took place three weeks ago at the terrorist headquarters in Raqqa, where infamous British murderer Jihadi John was blown up in a drone strike.

Intelligence sources said the successful hit had taken out a prized jihadi commander and was a “severe blow” to the terrorist group.

The SAS have conducted dozens of operations in Iraq and Syria in recent months as Britain and America step up their bid to wipe out the evil Islamists.

Their top target is now said to be Siddhartha Dhar, the 32-year-old Londoner who was unmasked as the terrorists’ latest executioner in a sick video showing the murder of Syrians accused of spying for Britain.

Today sources said the elite force is likely to increase the tempo of operations further still after the disclosure that an extra 200 US special operations commandos arrived in Iraq last week.

The US troops will work closely with the SAS and SBS, the Royal Navy’s special forces regiment, to conduct missions against extremists inside both Syria and Iraq.

One source added: “The SAS will be sending more troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan now the Americans have increased their numbers.

“Their primary target is the individual who has been dubbed the new Jihadi John. He is at the top of the kill list.”

More on LINK.

 

[Kirkhill]

I wonder if it was them or these?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1497590/Army-reveals-secret-elite-unit-that-puts-women-on-front-line.html

By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent12:01AM BST 04 Sep 2005

The existence of the increasing role being played by women in Britain's special forces has been publicly revealed for the first time.

The women, whose identities like all members of the special forces have to remain secret, were photographed participating in the inaugural parade of the newly formed Special Reconnaissance Regiment.
Although women have served in parts of Britain's special forces for the past 20 years, this is the first time that their role has been publicly acknowledged.

The new unit, which has its headquarters in south Wales, has already been deployed in operations in Britain following the suicide bomb attacks in London in July.
Men and women from the SRR are understood to have taken part in the surveillance operations that led to the capture of the four men allegedly responsible for the failed attempts to bomb the London Tube network on July 21.

Service women of all ranks, and from all three of the Armed Forces, up to the age of 32 are allowed to apply to join the regiment. To be accepted they must complete a gruelling six-month selection course and undertake exactly the same physical and mental tests as their male counterparts.

Operatives, as they are known, are trained in covert surveillance, close-quarter battle skills, self-defence and driving skills. They are also taught how to plant bugging devices, hidden cameras and covert methods of entry into buildings and cars.

The unit, formed in April last year, has existed in a different guise for more than 20 years, under the cover name of 14 Intelligence Company, a highly secret organisation that conducted undercover operations in Northern Ireland alongside the SAS and MI5.

Such was the secrecy surrounding the unit that few of its operations were made public. Members of the unit are, however, some of the most highly decorated men and women in the Services. One of its successes was providing the information for the SAS operation in 1988 which led to the shooting dead of three IRA terrorists who were planning to attack British forces in Gibraltar.

The unit also took part in an operation that thwarted an IRA plot to attack a police station at Loughgall, Co Tyrone, in 1987. Eight IRA members were killed by the SAS in a carefully planned ambush.
Plans for the creation of a new special forces regiment were revealed by The Sunday Telegraph in July last year. The unit will conduct anti-terror operations in Britain and around the world working closely with MI5 and MI6 and foreign intelligence organisations.

The unit usually conducts its operations in plain clothes and wears uniform only in barracks or for formal parades.

John Reid, the Defence Secretary, who watched the parade accompanied by Gen Sir Mike Jackson, the chief of the General Staff, said: "The Special Reconnaissance Regiment is one of the new capabilities generated as part of the reshaping of our Armed Forces. They have greatly improved support to worldwide operations at a time when they are needed most in the ongoing fight against international terrorism."

http://yournewswire.com/women-in-special-reconnaissance-regiment-fight-isis/

http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-reconnaissance-regiment/

 

[Jarnhamar]

You cant really say anything else to this can we?

Another hole in daesh appears. Jarnhammer, I dont drink but could you have one for me lol, this is to good.

Yes for sure.  It's hilarious even one of the most religiously oppressive groups in the world think one of the most oppressive articles of clothing around is too much of a security risk to oppress women with.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/mandatory-music-classes-strike-sour-note-with-muslim-parents/article31716832/

Mandatory music classes hit a bad note with some Muslim parents

When music class begins this week at Toronto’s Donwood Park elementary school, Mohammad Nouman Dasu will send a family member to collect his three young children. They will go home for an hour rather than sing and play instruments – a mandatory part of the Ontario curriculum he believes violates his Muslim faith.

The Scarborough school and the Toronto District School Board originally had offered an accommodation – suggesting students could just clap their hands in place of playing instruments or listen to acapella versions of O Canada – but not a full exemption from the class.

After a bitter three-year fight, however, Mr. Dasu felt he had no other opton but to bring his kids home.

Another example of ridiculous accommodations being asked. I'm sure the students will get a special pass even though the class is "mandatory".

 

[Teager]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/mandatory-music-classes-strike-sour-note-with-muslim-parents/article31716832/
Another example of ridiculous accommodations being asked. I'm sure the students will get a special pass even though the class is "mandatory".

Apparently multiple accommodations were made but that doesn't satisfy the father. Basically the kids aren't doing music/drama period. At least the school isn't giving them a free pass.

 

[Lumber]

Yes for sure.  It's hilarious even one of the most religiously oppressive groups in the world think one of the most oppressive articles of clothing around is too much of a security risk to oppress women with.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/mandatory-music-classes-strike-sour-note-with-muslim-parents/article31716832/
Another example of ridiculous accommodations being asked. I'm sure the students will get a special pass even though the class is "mandatory".

Music is "haram"? I only spent a few long weekends in the middle east, but I heard music all the time, especially tolling from the bell towers. Was that not "music" and "signing"?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Apparently multiple accommodations were made but that doesn't satisfy the father. Basically the kids aren't doing music/drama period. At least the school isn't giving them a free pass.

I think not for lack of trying. The school offered to let the kids sit there and clap their hands while other students were actually playing instruments.

Lumber I was thinking the same thing. Even ISIS propaganda videos have music backgrounds.

 

[jollyjacktar]

Music is "haram"? I only spent a few long weekends in the middle east, but I heard music all the time, especially tolling from the bell towers. Was that not "music" and "signing"?

My wife told me that there will be several things that will become prevalent prior to Allah having enough of mankind's shit and wiping the slate clean with fire.  Alcohol is one female singers becoming popular is another.  That might explain why the fun police seem to be the dicks sporting stupid looking beards and man jammies in some of "those" countries.

 

[AbdullahD]

My wife told me that there will be several things that will become prevalent prior to Allah having enough of mankind's crap and wiping the slate clean with fire.  Alcohol is one female singers becoming popular is another.  That might explain why the fun police seem to be the dicks sporting stupid looking beards and man jammies in some of "those" countries.

Pdf Al-Gahazali's Thoughts on the Effects of Music and Singing upon the Heart and the Body and ...
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_2_No_9_May_2012/11.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj5ytfHnvzOAhVQz2MKHW9iA0EQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNEmPOym3zANDzidQVxrFvMZ1CqroQ&sig2=2r0ynVVo0NY2Hq_UOaSrDQ

Links for the arguement that it is allowed
http://www.islamawareness.net/Music/music_fatwa005.html

http://www.islamawareness.net/Music/prohibited.html

And then Music is haram crowd...
http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/21056

Conceding that Muslims have to adjust when they send their kids to public school, he suggested that some matters, such as teaching music, are beyond debate.

“We do not compromise with anyone on the clear-cut orders and principles conveyed by the Prophet,” said Mr. Ingar, who also leads the Scarborough Muslim Association.

You know I love my religion and I love those who follow my religion, but sometimes they make it very hard to defend them. I can not state that there is no accepted opinion that states music is forbidden, but I can  definetly state there is an accepted opinion that it is allowed.

There are no Sahih and Sarih hadiths (meaning clear accepted sayings that give a ruling)that say Music is haram. There are many Sahih hadiths that can and are used to discourage Music, especially in excess. But none of them are sarih in stating that Music is forbidden.

Now I personally think these guys went over the top.. because acapella is clearly permissible in Islam by the Majority of scholars. So they should have just gave in a little and allowed the acapella to go forward... so I put these guys in the same boat as the people who refuse to allow their children to learn about Islam.

But then again... if Music was Haram we wouldn't have justin bieber and sometimes I wonder if that is an acceptable trade....

Anywho im at the gym and I need to get my workout tunes started

Abdullah