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Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending
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WLSC
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Not surprised we are not there but I think we need to go that route, popping the artificial bubble that JT has created. We need to be pushed on the side for real foa a while until he understands.
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He doesn’t care.
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He understands fully. He just doesn't give a rat's ass.
The Defence Portfolio doesn't buy votes, nor does it see a return on investment domestically. The only thing it buys you is clout internationally, but I think JT realises his goose is cooked on the world stage. He has F'ed Around enough with faux pas' and paper tiger threats that he is now rightfully Finding Out.
Perhaps if we become a grown up country, we might see our national defence, sovereignty, and foreign policy as non-partisan issues. Until then, the CAF is a hot potato no politician wants to hold near and dear to their hearts.
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But
and it is a big but, there is an outside chance that more Canadians may notice he , and his CABAL, don't care.
And maybe that will focus minds enough that they act at the next election.
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Defence may not be the issue but China, or drugs, or Uktrainians might be.
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Not as big as home affordability, grocery prices, Healthcare, and many other sacred cows that have been the main narrative for the past 3 years. Your average voter can't see past making next week, let alone if we are prepared to eventually get pulled into conflict on one or both sides of the world.
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So long as Herr Porsche-Rolex stays attached at the hip, odds are JT’s going to try to ride it out until 2025…
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We're not a traditional nation state, we are a collection of provinces. So you're not going to get what you like barring a massive restructuring of federalism. A weak federal government is a feature not a bug. It has nothing to do with being grown up, but everything to do with how we designed federalism.
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Not sure that works.
The US constitution is one heavily tilted to states rights - and yet strong Federal defence powers. The Federal government has essentially coopted the various states' defence forces over the years.
The Canadian constitution is heavily tilted to the Federal government's powers (look, for example, at the residual powers clause) - it doesn't even have provincial defence forces. The Feds coopted that power on the first day.
There are more than enough mechanisms by which the Canadian Federal government could be a "grown up" vis a vis defence. Primarily a constitutional responsibility for national defence and a practically limited taxation and spending power.
It's not structure; it's attitude.
WLSC
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He will when it will turn into big business start to turn is back on us.
WLSC
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I’ve said it somewhere else on the forum, the federal abandoned it responsibilities and had become a big provincial government. The two level is competing on who’s will be the real care giver to the population.Not sure that works.
The US constitution is one heavily tilted to states rights - and yet strong Federal defence powers. The Federal government has essentially coopted the various states' defence forces over the years.
The Canadian constitution is heavily tilted to the Federal government's powers (look, for example, at the residual powers clause) - it doesn't even have provincial defence forces. The Feds coopted that power on the first day.
There are more than enough mechanisms by which the Canadian Federal government could be a "grown up" vis a vis defence. Primarily a constitutional responsibility for national defence and a practically limited taxation and spending power.
It's not structure; it's attitude.
Not that the federal doesn’t have a role to play, it sure does but as you said, it’s all about the attitude.
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Trudeau has failed at the above.
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Presuposes an interest on the part of Joe Canadian.
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I like the way you put that. It so true.
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Start? It’s been occurring for years.
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This.
Most vendors in the US clamor for defence contracts. In Canada, they run the other way. Why? It's a losing bet.
The odds are heavily stacked against the industry; the GoC will either take too long to make a decision, will demand the project be within some asinine paramater (Green, Aboriginal, vote rich Ste. Poutain de Caliss, etm.) , or eventually cancel the project after a decade of courting and R&D.
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He won't care, because he is wealthy enough that he and his children will never feel the impact of it.
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Pretty sure someone named Louis the XVI thought the same
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