Keir Starmer Announces Resignation

[Halifax Tar]

I think we all knew this was coming...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/livestory/starmer-streeting-labour-party-u-k-politics-9.7199764

 

[Czech_pivo]

Our garage has been on fire in previous recent years. They just decided, again, to burn to the ground their entire estate.

 

[dapaterson]

Lettuce begin to watch!

 

[Czech_pivo]

Lettuce begin to watch!

lol - seems like every few months they hold a new version of Guy Fawkes Night in the UK.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Every time I think Canada's in trouble it helps to looks at the UK

Political turmoil: UK will see its seventh prime minister in 10 years

After less than two years as PM, Keir Starmer announces his resignation amid mounting pressure from own Labour Party.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[FJAG]

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Every time I think Canada's in trouble it helps to looks at the UK


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Political turmoil: UK will see its seventh prime minister in 10 years

After less than two years as PM, Keir Starmer announces his resignation amid mounting pressure from own Labour Party.

www.aljazeera.com

They're spending less time in office than the average Canadian general.

 

[MacNav63]

Every time I think Canada's in trouble it helps to looks at the UK


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Political turmoil: UK will see its seventh prime minister in 10 years

After less than two years as PM, Keir Starmer announces his resignation amid mounting pressure from own Labour Party.

www.aljazeera.com

It's an interesting reflection on the differences between our two "Westminster" approaches to parliament. Over the course of the 14 years from David Cameron's election in 2010, the Tories ran through 5 PMs, despite having majority governments for most of that time. Canada hasn't seen anything like that for a party in office since Sir John A died and it took 4 different leaders to finish up the rest of his term, the first of which died in office.

The big difference I think is the relative power of the backbenches in the UK. With so many MPs in the UK it's impossible to buy them all off with cabinet/PS/committee chair jobs, leaving a large and potentially unruly body of MPs to try and manage if things aren't going well for the government. For Starmer that meant continuously having to backtrack on any policy approach to fixing the UK's problems that didn't pass the left wing sniff test of much of the Labour backbench. Same with the Tory PMs in reverse.

We've had factions in our parties vying for power of course, think Paul Martin vs Chretien or John Turner vs PET for sitting government examples. Or Mulroney vs Clark and everyone vs Deif for the Tories in opposition. But we don't have the kind of formal mechanisms for backbenchers to force out a leader that the Brits have. At least we didn't until the Reform Act, which only the Tories have used to oust Erin O'Toole, and of course they were in opposition.

It will be interesting to see going forward if more of the federal parties start to make use of the Reform Act to give their MPs this kind of power.

 

[Altair]

Every time I think Canada's in trouble it helps to looks at the UK


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Political turmoil: UK will see its seventh prime minister in 10 years

After less than two years as PM, Keir Starmer announces his resignation amid mounting pressure from own Labour Party.

www.aljazeera.com

No UK PM has served a full term since brexit.

I wonder why that is?

Right, because without the EU they are functionally broke. Too broke to afford to maintain services, too broke to raise taxes, but the public want their services and dont want higher taxes.

Best of luck to andy burnham, but he's going to be the latest one to try to govern the ungovernable.

 

[DBNSG]

It's an interesting reflection on the differences between our two "Westminster" approaches to parliament. Over the course of the 14 years from David Cameron's election in 2010, the Tories ran through 5 PMs, despite having majority governments for most of that time. Canada hasn't seen anything like that for a party in office since Sir John A died and it took 4 different leaders to finish up the rest of his term, the first of which died in office.

The big difference I think is the relative power of the backbenches in the UK. With so many MPs in the UK it's impossible to buy them all off with cabinet/PS/committee chair jobs, leaving a large and potentially unruly body of MPs to try and manage if things aren't going well for the government. For Starmer that meant continuously having to backtrack on any policy approach to fixing the UK's problems that didn't pass the left wing sniff test of much of the Labour backbench. Same with the Tory PMs in reverse.

We've had factions in our parties vying for power of course, think Paul Martin vs Chretien or John Turner vs PET for sitting government examples. Or Mulroney vs Clark and everyone vs Deif for the Tories in opposition. But we don't have the kind of formal mechanisms for backbenchers to force out a leader that the Brits have. At least we didn't until the Reform Act, which only the Tories have used to oust Erin O'Toole, and of course they were in opposition.

It will be interesting to see going forward if more of the federal parties start to make use of the Reform Act to give their MPs this kind of power.

It is too soon to see of Carney will experience a back bench revolt but the murmurs are there. It must make some of Trudeau's leftovers stifle their so called principles to be part of Carneys government. I have had some great fun with my Hardcore Liberal friends and family members by teasing them that the Harper second term being implemented by Carney seems to have very broad support.

Would a Trudeau have bought 65,402 AR-derived Assault rifles?
Would Trudeau have reduced the Women's Issues department budget from 486 Million to under 80?
Trudeau would have kicked Submarine questions down the street through 2035 if he was still around.
Climate anyone?, and Pipelines for all.

 

[Altair]

It is too soon to see of Carney will experience a back bench revolt but the murmurs are there. It must make some of Trudeau's leftovers stifle their so called principles to be part of Carneys government. I have had some great fun with my Hardcore Liberal friends and family members by teasing them that the Harper second term being implemented by Carney seems to have very broad support.

Would a Trudeau have bought 65,402 AR-derived Assault rifles?
Would Trudeau have reduced the Women's Issues department budget from 486 Million to under 80?
Trudeau would have kicked Submarine questions down the street through 2035 if he was still around.
Climate anyone?, and Pipelines for all.

Harpers 4th term.

 

[DBNSG]

Harpers 4th term.

Harpers second Majority and fourth term. You are correct.

 

[HavokFour]

No UK PM has served a full term since brexit.

I wonder why that is?

Right, because without the EU they are functionally broke. Too broke to afford to maintain services, too broke to raise taxes, but the public want their services and dont want higher taxes.

Best of luck to andy burnham, but he's going to be the latest one to try to govern the ungovernable.

Was about to say, you can see a clearly right when things started unravelling in 2016 with the referendum.