Keir Starmer Announces Resignation

[Halifax Tar]

I think we all knew this was coming...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/livestory/starmer-streeting-labour-party-u-k-politics-9.7199764

 

[Czech_pivo]

Our garage has been on fire in previous recent years. They just decided, again, to burn to the ground their entire estate.

 

[dapaterson]

Lettuce begin to watch!

 

[Czech_pivo]

Lettuce begin to watch!

lol - seems like every few months they hold a new version of Guy Fawkes Night in the UK.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Every time I think Canada's in trouble it helps to looks at the UK

Political turmoil: UK will see its seventh prime minister in 10 years

After less than two years as PM, Keir Starmer announces his resignation amid mounting pressure from own Labour Party.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[FJAG]

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Every time I think Canada's in trouble it helps to looks at the UK


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Political turmoil: UK will see its seventh prime minister in 10 years

After less than two years as PM, Keir Starmer announces his resignation amid mounting pressure from own Labour Party.

www.aljazeera.com

They're spending less time in office than the average Canadian general.

 

[MacNav63]

Every time I think Canada's in trouble it helps to looks at the UK


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Political turmoil: UK will see its seventh prime minister in 10 years

After less than two years as PM, Keir Starmer announces his resignation amid mounting pressure from own Labour Party.

www.aljazeera.com

It's an interesting reflection on the differences between our two "Westminster" approaches to parliament. Over the course of the 14 years from David Cameron's election in 2010, the Tories ran through 5 PMs, despite having majority governments for most of that time. Canada hasn't seen anything like that for a party in office since Sir John A died and it took 4 different leaders to finish up the rest of his term, the first of which died in office.

The big difference I think is the relative power of the backbenches in the UK. With so many MPs in the UK it's impossible to buy them all off with cabinet/PS/committee chair jobs, leaving a large and potentially unruly body of MPs to try and manage if things aren't going well for the government. For Starmer that meant continuously having to backtrack on any policy approach to fixing the UK's problems that didn't pass the left wing sniff test of much of the Labour backbench. Same with the Tory PMs in reverse.

We've had factions in our parties vying for power of course, think Paul Martin vs Chretien or John Turner vs PET for sitting government examples. Or Mulroney vs Clark and everyone vs Deif for the Tories in opposition. But we don't have the kind of formal mechanisms for backbenchers to force out a leader that the Brits have. At least we didn't until the Reform Act, which only the Tories have used to oust Erin O'Toole, and of course they were in opposition.

It will be interesting to see going forward if more of the federal parties start to make use of the Reform Act to give their MPs this kind of power.

 

[Altair]

Every time I think Canada's in trouble it helps to looks at the UK


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Political turmoil: UK will see its seventh prime minister in 10 years

After less than two years as PM, Keir Starmer announces his resignation amid mounting pressure from own Labour Party.

www.aljazeera.com

No UK PM has served a full term since brexit.

I wonder why that is?

Right, because without the EU they are functionally broke. Too broke to afford to maintain services, too broke to raise taxes, but the public want their services and dont want higher taxes.

Best of luck to andy burnham, but he's going to be the latest one to try to govern the ungovernable.

 

[DBNSG]

It's an interesting reflection on the differences between our two "Westminster" approaches to parliament. Over the course of the 14 years from David Cameron's election in 2010, the Tories ran through 5 PMs, despite having majority governments for most of that time. Canada hasn't seen anything like that for a party in office since Sir John A died and it took 4 different leaders to finish up the rest of his term, the first of which died in office.

The big difference I think is the relative power of the backbenches in the UK. With so many MPs in the UK it's impossible to buy them all off with cabinet/PS/committee chair jobs, leaving a large and potentially unruly body of MPs to try and manage if things aren't going well for the government. For Starmer that meant continuously having to backtrack on any policy approach to fixing the UK's problems that didn't pass the left wing sniff test of much of the Labour backbench. Same with the Tory PMs in reverse.

We've had factions in our parties vying for power of course, think Paul Martin vs Chretien or John Turner vs PET for sitting government examples. Or Mulroney vs Clark and everyone vs Deif for the Tories in opposition. But we don't have the kind of formal mechanisms for backbenchers to force out a leader that the Brits have. At least we didn't until the Reform Act, which only the Tories have used to oust Erin O'Toole, and of course they were in opposition.

It will be interesting to see going forward if more of the federal parties start to make use of the Reform Act to give their MPs this kind of power.

It is too soon to see of Carney will experience a back bench revolt but the murmurs are there. It must make some of Trudeau's leftovers stifle their so called principles to be part of Carneys government. I have had some great fun with my Hardcore Liberal friends and family members by teasing them that the Harper second term being implemented by Carney seems to have very broad support.

Would a Trudeau have bought 65,402 AR-derived Assault rifles?
Would Trudeau have reduced the Women's Issues department budget from 486 Million to under 80?
Trudeau would have kicked Submarine questions down the street through 2035 if he was still around.
Climate anyone?, and Pipelines for all.

 

[Altair]

It is too soon to see of Carney will experience a back bench revolt but the murmurs are there. It must make some of Trudeau's leftovers stifle their so called principles to be part of Carneys government. I have had some great fun with my Hardcore Liberal friends and family members by teasing them that the Harper second term being implemented by Carney seems to have very broad support.

Would a Trudeau have bought 65,402 AR-derived Assault rifles?
Would Trudeau have reduced the Women's Issues department budget from 486 Million to under 80?
Trudeau would have kicked Submarine questions down the street through 2035 if he was still around.
Climate anyone?, and Pipelines for all.

Harpers 4th term.

 

[DBNSG]

Harpers 4th term.

Harpers second Majority and fourth term. You are correct.

 

[HavokFour]

No UK PM has served a full term since brexit.

I wonder why that is?

Right, because without the EU they are functionally broke. Too broke to afford to maintain services, too broke to raise taxes, but the public want their services and dont want higher taxes.

Best of luck to andy burnham, but he's going to be the latest one to try to govern the ungovernable.

Was about to say, you can see it clearly right when things started unravelling in 2016 with the referendum.

 

[Altair]

Was about to say, you can see a clearly right when things started unravelling in 2016 with the referendum.

Yup, between covid and Brexit, the UK model broke. It wasn't an empire anymore, not really, but within the EU it was the financial hub. Greater london drove the economy, because how much capital moved through it.

After Brexit, that model broke, covid drove up debtloads, and now it's in FO mode.

6 PMs in 7 years. What a disaster.

 

[QV]

The EU led to the migrant disaster which contributed heavily to what happened in the Independent Rape Gang Inquiry Report.

Terry Newman: U.K. grooming gang report details horrific child exploitation

Will politicians have the courage to act?

nationalpost.com

The UK is perfectly capably of functioning as a country provided it's not screwing itself over with progressive socialist policy.

 

[Czech_pivo]

It's an interesting reflection on the differences between our two "Westminster" approaches to parliament. Over the course of the 14 years from David Cameron's election in 2010, the Tories ran through 5 PMs, despite having majority governments for most of that time. Canada hasn't seen anything like that for a party in office since Sir John A died and it took 4 different leaders to finish up the rest of his term, the first of which died in office.

The big difference I think is the relative power of the backbenches in the UK. With so many MPs in the UK it's impossible to buy them all off with cabinet/PS/committee chair jobs, leaving a large and potentially unruly body of MPs to try and manage if things aren't going well for the government. For Starmer that meant continuously having to backtrack on any policy approach to fixing the UK's problems that didn't pass the left wing sniff test of much of the Labour backbench. Same with the Tory PMs in reverse.

We've had factions in our parties vying for power of course, think Paul Martin vs Chretien or John Turner vs PET for sitting government examples. Or Mulroney vs Clark and everyone vs Deif for the Tories in opposition. But we don't have the kind of formal mechanisms for backbenchers to force out a leader that the Brits have. At least we didn't until the Reform Act, which only the Tories have used to oust Erin O'Toole, and of course they were in opposition.

It will be interesting to see going forward if more of the federal parties start to make use of the Reform Act to give their MPs this kind of power.

With our Cabinet sizes running about 25% larger than the average UK government cabinet (30-40 Canada vs 20-30 UK) and our need for about 175 MP's for a majority, you've about about a 20ish% chance in Canada for being a CM vs the 326 MP's at a minimum in the UK. This translates to be about a less than 10% chance of being a CM in the UK.

 

[Czech_pivo]

It is too soon to see of Carney will experience a back bench revolt but the murmurs are there. It must make some of Trudeau's leftovers stifle their so called principles to be part of Carneys government. I have had some great fun with my Hardcore Liberal friends and family members by teasing them that the Harper second term being implemented by Carney seems to have very broad support.

Would a Trudeau have bought 65,402 AR-derived Assault rifles?
Would Trudeau have reduced the Women's Issues department budget from 486 Million to under 80?
Trudeau would have kicked Submarine questions down the street through 2035 if he was still around.
Climate anyone?, and Pipelines for all.

I thank God almost daily that the majority of those ill-fated experiments are dead and gone.

 

[Altair]

The EU led to the migrant disaster which contributed heavily to what happened in the Independent Rape Gang Inquiry Report.

Terry Newman: U.K. grooming gang report details horrific child exploitation

Will politicians have the courage to act?

nationalpost.com

The UK is perfectly capably of functioning as a country provided it's not screwing itself over with progressive socialist policy.

Yet the conservatives churned through Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak post brexit.

Yeah, those socialists...

Meanwhile, those conservatives have had 6-10 percent slower GDP growth post brexit than their european peers.

A decade of Brexit: Britain falls behind peers in trade and growth

Economic analysis shows UK GDP per capita grew up to 10% less than similar nations as firms froze spending and productivity slipped.View on euronews

ca.finance.yahoo.com

We estimate that by the start of 2025, the UK economy was approximately 8% smaller than it would have been without Brexit, based on macro data, and 6% smaller using firm-level micro data," the study said.

The authors describe a prolonged period in which political volatility and shifting commercial rules froze or delayed decisions that normally drive growth. Instead of investing and hiring, firms braced for the next announcement or change in trading conditions.

Across the country, investment plans were shelved and managerial time was spent on risk assessments and Brexit preparation rather than developing new products or expanding operations, researchers said.

“Investment is estimated to have been 12–18% lower, employment 3–4% lower, and productivity also 3–4% lower than it would have been if the UK had not voted to leave the EU,” the study claimed.

Those darn socialists....

Do you do any research before you post things?