Keir Starmer Announces Resignation

[Brad Sallows]

Sure thing. But when it comes to governance, the population isnt giving UK PMs grace to deal with those economic costs.

Now that the UK has full control over itself, UK PMs are in part not being given grace because they're moving too slowly making changes voters want made on matters other than purely economic/fiscal. All the recent headlines were about censorship, highly unsatisfying choices about which people are permitted room to misbehave and which are in trouble if they express a contrary opinion, and the specific behaviour of a few immigrants and the people who, apparently, enabled them because they were cowed by some variation of identity politics. Economy wasn't mentioned much.

They want their services, they dont want higher taxes, the UK economy cannot function because the financial sector doesnt have the seamless access to the continent.

Pretty much every country and many of their lower level governments have revenue-expense imbalances on the adverse side right now. Not really much point singling out the UK. Maybe people who favoured Remain are having trouble letting go.

Talk sovereignty all you want, brexit broke the UK. And now nobody can run it.

Brexit was effect, not cause. The UK was already "broken", if "broken" just means there's a ruling class that persists in trying to govern the country at odds with a majority of the governed. Governments all over Europe are having that problem. In each case, something is going to give. The governing classes are remarkably obtuse and determined to have their way, so my money is on the people eventually overturning all the card tables.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The revolving door at 10 Downing is unsurprising given the economic issues prevailing over the past decade or so...

How Brexit has made Britain poorer – in charts​

Forecasters were wrong about an immediate recession but right that we would be worse off outside the EU

But experts agree the long-term forecasters were on the money: the economy is significantly smaller than it would otherwise have been, trade has suffered, business investment and productivity growth have stalled, and families are on average thousands of pounds a year worse off.

How Brexit has made Britain poorer – in charts

Forecasters were wrong about an immediate recession but right that we would be worse off outside the EU

www.theguardian.com

Keeping in mind the leaders of the EU need to punish the UK, to keep the lesser nations inline, otherwise they might up and go as well. We are still in "punishment" stage, adding in Covid as well. I will argue that it is far to early to tell whether it is a success or failure.

 

[Altair]

Keeping in mind the leaders of the EU need to punish the UK, to keep the lesser nations inline, otherwise they might up and go as well. We are still in "punishment" stage, adding in Covid as well. I will argue that it is far to early to tell whether it is a success or failure.

Its ten years later, they are markedly poorer, and have gone through more prime ministers than Italy and one less than France over the same timeframe.

And this isnt even to mention every devolved administration outside of London is run by separatists.

Massive failure. How much more time do we all need to see that?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Massive failure. How much more time do we all need to see that?

Britons are much better off than Iranians, and some people here are spouting off about how successful Iran has been lately. Maybe calibrate your superlatives?

 

[Altair]

Britons are much better off than Iranians, and some people here are spouting off about how successful Iran has been lately. Maybe calibrate your superlatives?

One. Keep threads on proper topics maybe?

Two. The UK was in line with its peers in terms of political stability and economic performance, and since brexit have failed spectacularly at both.

If you want to say sovergnity is worth that, be my guest, but judging by the churn at the top of british politics since brexit, the public clearly aren't happy.

 

[Brad Sallows]

One. Keep threads on proper topics maybe?

Two. The UK was in line with its peers in terms of political stability and economic performance, and since brexit have failed spectacularly at both.

This is on topic. You're just throwing out superlatives: "massively", "spectacularly". Nothing remotely quantifiable or even justifiable by relative comparisons.

Haiti is a massively or spectacularly failed nation. The UK is not. Among "its peers" it ranks well in absolute GDP and per capita GDP. "Failure" isn't on any list of remotely non-risible descriptions.

If you want to say sovergnity is worth that, be my guest, but judging by the churn at the top of british politics since brexit, the public clearly aren't happy.

And my contention is that departing the EU was an effect of dissatisfaction. PM churn started before Brexit, which makes Brexit a poor candidate for your claims about dissatisfaction.

 

[Altair]

This is on topic. You're just throwing out superlatives: "massively", "spectacularly". Nothing remotely quantifiable or even justifiable by relative comparisons.

Yeah, sure, the UK is 10 percent poorer now because of brexit, better?

Haiti is a massively or spectacularly failed nation. The UK is not. Among "its peers" it ranks well in absolute GDP and per capita GDP. "Failure" isn't on any list of remotely non-risible descriptions.

The UK is massively underperforming it's peers in the EU post Brexit. The UK was matching their peers in the EU pre brexit.

That's a failure. Not a failed nation, but a failure in economic performance. And the point of divergence, surprise, Brexit.

And my contention is that departing the EU was an effect of dissatisfaction. PM churn started before Brexit, which makes Brexit a poor candidate for your claims about dissatisfaction.

The PM churn absolutely did not start before brexit.

Margaret Thatcher: 11 years, 211 days
Tony Blair: 10 years, 58 days
John Major: 6 years, 157 days
David Cameron: 6 years, 65 days
*Boris Johnson: 3 years, 45 days
*Theresa May: 3 years, 11 days
*Gordon Brown: 2 years, 319 days
*Rishi Sunak: 1 year, 254 days
*Keir Starmer: 1 year, 353 days (Ongoing)
*Liz Truss: 0 years, 49 days

*Post Brexit Prime Ministers.

The UK had relatively stable governments before brexit, not a single PM has served a full term since.

 

[Eaglelord17]

A Labour PM will have a tough time no matter what.

The people don’t want Labour, they won because of first past the post rather than growing support. It’s more the Tories split and the votes went to a bunch of different parties other than Labour, allowing Labour to win enough seats to form government.

That means the public really isn’t interested in their policies.

If the PM tries to govern too far down Labours ideology the public is upset. If they don’t, the party is upset and you get kicked out.

Rock and hard place.