LGBTQ Stuff (split from other political threads)

[Jarnhamar]

My issue here is with what I see as a waste of tax dollars and medical resources being used on elective surgery. My example isn't hypothetical either, there's already a video I came across of someone talking about pursuing it.

In my opinion it's no different than tax payers being on the hook for overweight people being given an expensive diabetic medicine to lose weight, or getting surgery to make someone taller (if they can get a doctor to write it off as medically nessary.)

 

[KeLouJoH]

Personally I don't see it from the point of whether it's a waste, because when you see it from the taxpayers' point of view it is, but from the transsexual's point of view, it obviously isn't.

My main issue is using public funds for something that these patients really should be paying out of their own pocket. If they want a new genitalia, no problem, but don't make other people pay for it. And for the government to force the province to pay like that, it just seems very wrong to me. It's almost like forcing me to pay for someone's nose job.

 

[lenaitch]

I agree that the courts ruled on the question of law as written. If Ontario didn't think the procedures were a proper use of public dollars, it could have de-listed them at any time.

I'm a little curious as to the intended outcome for the applicant. It doesn't strike me that for someone who

"is in her early 30s, “has experienced significant gender dysphoria"

how keeping both sets of plumbing is going to make things better.

I'm wondering if OHIP will cover at the Ontario rate or the actual Texas rate; I suspect the former.

 

[Blackadder1916]

I'm wondering if OHIP will cover at the Ontario rate or the actual Texas rate; I suspect the former.

A quick look (search for those specific words) in OHIP Schedule of Benefits (SOB) suggests that there is no "Ontario rate" for these specific surgical procedures as part of gender reassignment. While there may be are surgeons in Ontario who perform "vaginoplasty" (some of their websites have commentary about the "tightening" benefit of their services), there is no line item in the schedule detailing a set rate for the surgeons' service (the SOB does not include "hospital costs" as those would be covered under global funding to individual facilities).

The process for requesting prior authorization/funding is discussed in the SOB and at Request for Prior Approval for Funding of Sex-Reassignment Surgery - Central Forms Repository (CFR). The application is for patients seeking services in Ontario, out of province but within Canada or outside of the country. The costs for such may be less in Canada but the availability may be less. Determination of cost would probably include some negotiation with the out of country clinic requested.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Personally I don't see it from the point of whether it's a waste, because when you see it from the taxpayers' point of view it is, but from the transsexual's point of view, it obviously isn't.

My main issue is using public funds for something that these patients really should be paying out of their own pocket. If they want a new genitalia, no problem, but don't make other people pay for it. And for the government to force the province to pay like that, it just seems very wrong to me. It's almost like forcing me to pay for someone's nose job.

Just because you want a new kidney , why should I as taxpayer have to foot the bill ?
It may be apples and oranges , but I'm not so sure. It's a very complex issue. ( as most are )
It encompasses not just physical but mental health issues as well.
I've seen a number of suicides in the Trans community . Working in the hospital has really opened my eyes to a lot of things. In particular entire groups of people that I'd never really noticed before.

 

[daftandbarmy]

So much for that experiment...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940156986034634985

U.S. college bans transgender athletes following swimming furor

The University of Pennsylvania has agreed to ban transgender athletes from its women’s sports teams, settling a federal civil rights case stemming from the furor around swimmer Lia Thomas, the US government said Tuesday.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[The Bread Guy]

Bumped from last year ....

That's because the people that beat those two ladies don't fit the narrative. Just like the Palestinian protesters who halted the Toronto Pride Parade.

It hasn't made the MSM but my social media has blown up about it.

Everything old is new again this year, too

Ottawa Pride parade cancelled due to pro-Palestinian protesters

OTTAWA - Ottawa's annual Pride parade was cancelled Sunday after being disrupted by pro-Palestinian protesters.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Capital Pride Parade cancelled after protesters blocked route in downtown Ottawa

Organizers cancelled the Capital Pride Parade in downtown Ottawa Sunday afternoon when protesters blocked part of the parade route near Parliament Hill approximately 90 minutes after the parade began.

www.ctvnews.ca

Wonder if this had anything to do with the pro-Palestinian protesters' take?

Jewish groups return to Pride parade in Ottawa after it removes a statement accusing Israel of ‘pinkwashing’

Ottawa's mayor, the University of Ottawa, local hospitals and other withdrew from the event last year.

thecjn.ca

Hope the sidewalks aren't toooooo messy from some progressive heads exploding at the cognitive dissonance.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

They always end up eating their own.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Seems the "Old school gays" are sick of the radicals.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Seems the "Old school gays" are sick of the radicals.

What kind of gay are you?

 

[shiska]

What kind of gay are you?

You joke but in my experience there really are two distinct groups. The ones like my own family who are just trying to blend in and live normal lives together. They want legal protections for their marriage but thats about it. When it comes to most social issues they're more right than me.

Then you've got the others who make queerness their entire personality. Where everything is an attack, every opinion is valid, crazy acts of performative protest are encouraged and your value to the community is judged on how loud you are and you are labelled as undesirable if you suggest that its ok to blend into society and just be normal.

 

[ArmyRick]

What kind of gay are you?

Interesting. One of the abattoirs I butchered at, I met a colossal human being named Mitch (Big Mitch). He stood 6'4", weighed about 350 LBS and could haul a whole side of beef on his own shoulder before splitting it into 2 quarters. The guy is a monster. Wore cowboy hat, had a suped up F350 and listened to country music. Hated liberals and woke with a passion. Very masculine man, nothing effeminate about him. He was very kind with teaching me finer art of butchering. Then I found out he was 100% gay. Like not a little, a lot.

To me, he really broke the mould of what many in modern society think gay men are or behave like. I asked him once if he ever celebrated pride in Collingwood (They are pretty big on that) and he flat out said no. He was proud to be gay but he didn't see the need to flaunt, celebrate or announce his sexual preferences to the world.

I am willing to bet, many Canadians still have stereotypes of what gay and lesbians are and what they look like.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Then you've got the others who make (fill in the blank) their entire personality. Where everything is an attack, every opinion is valid, crazy acts of performative protest are encouraged and your value to the community is judged on how loud you are and you are labelled as undesirable if you suggest that its ok to blend into society and just be normal.

Sounds like it fits a lot of the MAGA crowd.

 

[ArmyRick]

Sounds like it fits a lot of the MAGA crowd.

And thats what you took away from his statement? Or were you just looking to change the direction of the conversation?

Skiska point is their all kinds of people within the G and L community. A few loudmouths do NOT represent the community as a whole.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

You joke but in my experience there really are two distinct groups. The ones like my own family who are just trying to blend in and live normal lives together. They want legal protections for their marriage but thats about it. When it comes to most social issues they're more right than me.

Then you've got the others who make queerness their entire personality. Where everything is an attack, every opinion is valid, crazy acts of performative protest are encouraged and your value to the community is judged on how loud you are and you are labelled as undesirable if you suggest that its ok to blend into society and just be normal.

Exactly the experience I have had with my gay friends, they are proud of their achievements in their professional lives, but neither hide nor flaunt that they are gay. Being able to marry who they want, not get physically attacked for that choice, share their legal benefits with their spouse is what the majority wanted and they have gotten that and are content.